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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 22, 2012 17:21:20 GMT -5
That's what the spoiler tag is for, brotisserie.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Jul 22, 2012 21:04:25 GMT -5
1. Miranda Tate's reveal was a mistake. She spends the entire movie being nowhere and doing nothing, and then all of a sudden it's "oh sup, I'm really the bad guy". Then she proceeds to fuck up her own plan because she's a pretty shitty mastermind.
2. Miranda Tate's reveal ruined Bane's character. Seriously, Bane was a bad mother fucker for the entire movie. I ate that shit up. Where Ledger's Joker existed as the true antithesis to Bruce Wayne, Bane was instead the antithesis to Batman. Both men were physical brawlers who used fear and intelligence to subdue their enemies. Both men were symbols, ideas, and causes for people to rally behind. Bane took Batman on and utterly destroyed him. Wayne didn't just have to rehabilitate himself in the Pit - he had to bring back Batman. (Remember the scene in Dark Knight when he says 'Batman has no limits'? Now think about the rope around his waist when he climbed out of the Pit.) So he does that, and for a brief moment, just a tiny window, Batman has Bane on the ropes. We're finally going to see the Immovable Object win out over the Unstoppable Force. It's a great scene - Batman is going HAM like never before. And then Miranda comes in and pretty much ruins it. "Sorry, Bane couldn't get out of the Pit. He's just my big dumb animal. Oh, you thought this was all his idea? Nah. Okay pookie, I stabbed him for you, you can kill him now. Kthxbai" Seriously? How cheap does that now make Bane? He was this incredible monster, this true übermensch that turned Gotham City into his own personal fortress, and now he's nothing more than an attack dog, guarding Miranda in this Big Daddy sort of way.
3. Catwoman blows Bane away in one shot. CATWOMAN. As if he hadn't been insulted enough in those last two minutes.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 22, 2012 21:34:03 GMT -5
I agree; I think Tate=Talia was a good twist in theory, but it was mishandled both in terms of her own character and in what it did to Bane. I am choosing to believe that Bane survived the blast -- because seriously if anyone could, it's him -- since they never checked his body. (Earlier in the film: "Commissioner Gordon is dead." "Then show me the body.") I know it's not really true, but dammit, he deserves a second chance to wreak havoc without Talia around.
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Post by Belle on Jul 22, 2012 21:34:23 GMT -5
Thank you for saying everything I was thinking about frigging Talia I mean if you're going to incorporate the Al Ghul line back into the Batman movies there are better ways to do it than ruining a perfectly good storyline with Bane which could just as easily have been instigated by Bane's ACTUAL MOTIVATION to attack Gotham all the time; namely, that he finds Gotham City fascinating because it is a place where fear rules above all else, much as it was in the prison where he was raised and blah blah
I dunno I feel like the incorporation of Talia at the end felt rushed, and really not entirely necessary as there was plenty of closure with Ra's Al Ghul when Batman destroyed Gotham's monorail and pretty effectively blew him to hell. And besides Talia's got better things on her mind than avenging her father since he's got that immortality thing g oh no wait they took the lazarus pit out that's right pity that's like my favorite part of that character anyway it's not like Talia really needed to be there considering all the other bat characters that were largely ignored. I mean hell, if you're going to pretend Robin doesn't exist unil five minutes before the film ends then you sure as shit don't need Talia desperately
speaking of, shit was WEAK swear to god everyone else in the household got all giddy like "omg he was Robin all along omg" but I just sat there like "no fuq u" because a) Robin's name has never been Robin I mean seriously who names their superhero alter ego straight up after themselves and b) even if it's just a nod to the character come oooooonnnnnnnnnnnnn fuq u nolan no I didn't mean it I love you and everything you do is wonderful
and also I was a little disappointed Bane wasn't fueled by Venom as he normally is but I felt the plague thing was a nice touch and a good way to keep the character intact without making the movie any more surreal than it already is
okay I think I'm done complaining regardless, fucking awesome film and excellent closure to a great trilogy I mean, I actually felt feelings in that movie - half an hour before the end I was legitimately weeping in my chair while at the same time trying to make sure my family couldn't see my tears can't show them weakness they prey upon it
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Post by Ninety on Jul 23, 2012 11:28:39 GMT -5
I didn't really care for the ending because blowing up a nuke over water is practically as bad as letting it blow up in a city. Bikini Atoll is still pretty much uninhabitable after 70 years (although, yeah they blew up like 20 nukes there but you get the point). Batman is the best planner/detective in the DC universe and that's the best he comes up with? I don't buy it.
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Post by Loogs on Jul 23, 2012 12:16:01 GMT -5
I didn't really care for the ending because blowing up a nuke over water is practically as bad as letting it blow up in a city. Bikini Atoll is still pretty much uninhabitable after 70 years (although, yeah they blew up like 20 nukes there but you get the point). Batman is the best planner/detective in the DC universe and that's the best he comes up with? I don't buy it. Well to be fair he was pressed for time, and the bomb didn't go off in Gotham, and I guess that was the point. Batman don't give a fuck about some mutated fish.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Jul 23, 2012 13:13:18 GMT -5
Also, he does retire afterwards. Faking his death and leaving the mess to Robin lets him bail out with Catwoman and hide in Florence. Because Batman's a douchebag.
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Post by Belle on Jul 23, 2012 13:59:39 GMT -5
like they were ever really going to kill batman
though I'll admit that for a few minutes I was scared they were going to do just that. Considering the villains and events that came from Batman's creation, however (see: everything after the first movie), I'd agree with Nolan/Wayne? that letting the world think Batman was killed was the right move. Also the moment with Alfred in Florence made me weepy with happy tears my god I was a fucking wreck in that movie it was terrible
That said, how long is he really going to stay 'retired'? Especially with what is hopefully a Justice League movie in the works. Man of Steel? Aww yes. Henry Cavill, so handsome. Still only seven years after the last Supes movie came out but I think we'd all like to pretend that one didn't happen.
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Post by Ninety on Jul 23, 2012 14:17:09 GMT -5
I think we'd like to pretend that almost all of the Superman movies didn't happen. This new one's quoting All-Star Superman in the trailers and that's one of the best stories I've ever read. That shit will make you cry.
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Post by Belle on Jul 23, 2012 14:35:24 GMT -5
I barely even remember the trailer itself my mind is so full of Batman I should go watch it again, because feelings
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Jul 23, 2012 17:44:00 GMT -5
I baaaww'd
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Post by asmo on Jul 23, 2012 21:57:10 GMT -5
I thought the Batman movie was the worst of the three and somewhat mediocre in general; i'm surprised you guys liked it so much.
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Post by ch00beh on Jul 24, 2012 14:19:08 GMT -5
I give DKR a 5/10. Pacing is terrible, editing is sloppy, and if it weren't for the acting, Bane's voice, and mindless spectacle, I would've just shrugged at it all. Also Batman couldn't have died at the end because they foreshadowed him dying throughout the entire movie. Also also, how did Bruce not throw Tate in prison as soon as he felt up that scar--like seriously, how much more obvious can you get
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 24, 2012 19:25:59 GMT -5
I thought the Batman movie was the worst of the three and somewhat mediocre in general; i'm surprised you guys liked it so much. Actually I disagree with the "worst of the three" judgment; I think Begins is easily the weakest in retrospect. The whole first act in Bhutan, though interesting the first time, is kinda weird and boring on subsequent viewings, and the next two acts are exciting but don't really seem to have much thrust. I watched it for the third or fourth time about a week ago and yet I couldn't really tell you what the plot was about (something something poisoning the water supply gotta stop that train??). The climactic sequence in particular is ridiculously chaotic and hectic, making the other two look positively reined-in by comparison. The movie squanders its best resource in the form of Cillian Murphy, while plowing Liam Neeson's "YOU MUST BECOME MORE THAN A MAN!" routine into the ground (I got it after the sixth or seventh time). Katie Holmes obviously doesn't help matters with her dumb baby face, and even Christian Bale doesn't really seem to have a firm grip on Bruce Wayne (as distinct from Batman) yet: witness the absolutely dreadful scene in which Bruce and Rachel cross paths for the first time since their return, with Bale speaking slowly through a bizarrely frozen smile that crosses past "realistically awkward" into "corpselike". I love all three movies and I'm not saying Begins was bad -- there's plenty to admire about it. But it seems actively flawed to me in more ways than Rises, whose "flaws" were really mostly just "disappointments". How could we not have been a little disappointed? It's the last Nolan Batman film.
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Post by Ninety on Jul 24, 2012 19:45:11 GMT -5
Yeah but now Nolan can get back to making amazing non-Batman films with God's budget behind him.
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Post by asmo on Jul 24, 2012 23:16:35 GMT -5
I thought the Batman movie was the worst of the three and somewhat mediocre in general; i'm surprised you guys liked it so much. Actually I disagree with the "worst of the three" judgment; I think Begins is easily the weakest in retrospect. The whole first act in Bhutan, though interesting the first time, is kinda weird and boring in retrospect, and the next two acts are exciting but don't really seem to have much thrust. I watched it for the third or fourth time about a week ago and yet I couldn't really tell you what the plot was about (something something poisoning the water supply gotta stop that train??). The climactic sequence in particular is ridiculously chaotic and hectic, making the other two look positively reined-in by comparison. The movie squanders its best resource in the form of Cillian Murphy, while plowing Liam Neeson's "YOU MUST BECOME MORE THAN A MAN!" routine into the ground (I got it after the sixth or seventh time). Katie Holmes obviously doesn't help matters with her dumb baby face, and even Christian Bale doesn't really seem to have a firm grip on Bruce Wayne (as distinct from Batman) yet: witness the absolutely dreadful scene in which Bruce and Rachel cross paths for the first time since their return, with Bale speaking slowly through a bizarrely frozen smile that crosses past "realistically awkward" into "corpselike". I love all three movies and I'm not saying Begins was bad -- there's plenty to admire about it. But it seems actively flawed to me in more ways than Rises, whose "flaws" were really mostly just "disappointments". How could we not have been a little disappointed? It's the last Nolan Batman film. this is a reasonable position. i have only watched each movie once so the flaws of DKR probably stand out more than the movie i watched 6 years ago or whatever.
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Post by Ninety on Jul 24, 2012 23:22:25 GMT -5
Biscuit and I watched all 3 back to back. BACK TO BACK, MICHAEL.
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Post by ch00beh on Jul 25, 2012 3:57:08 GMT -5
but inception was meh, too.
nolan's the most overrated director of this generation. I say this as a huge fan of Memento. He's just gotten sloppier and sloppier and it's no bueno.
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Post by ch00beh on Aug 26, 2012 2:29:53 GMT -5
Drive - 3/5 It was interesting but I wouldn't say I loved it. I did like how much Christina Hendricks got owned, though How Beer Saved the World - 3/5 Entertaining and some interesting facts about how human civilization would be completely different/nonexistent without the invention of beer, but there was like 30% ridiculous statements weighing against the interesting facts. Also randomly one of my friends was in it.
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Post by Kuroboom on Aug 26, 2012 8:57:40 GMT -5
I finally had time to watch DKR. I liked it, but it could have been so much more. Merging Talia's and Bane's origins like that was disappointing. I also found it odd how the series made it a point that Batman doesn't kill and it's been emphasized repeatedly that he doesn't use guns and then he blows the shit outta that semi-truck (using bullets and explosives) and kills 2 people. Why even have a gun on the damn thing if you're SO against them? I did lol when Bane got blown offa Batman though. I liked the realism approach, but I also feel Nolan missed out by not incorporating some of the more fantastic elements of Batman. He also missed out by not casting Peewee to do Bane's voice.
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Post by Ninety on Aug 26, 2012 14:01:02 GMT -5
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Post by ch00beh on Oct 18, 2012 1:00:49 GMT -5
Indie Game: The Movie
10/10, would have sex
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Post by Beelzebibble on Oct 21, 2012 11:12:09 GMT -5
Sinister: 7/10
On the negative side, the movie is so proud of its technologically modern hero (the professor of the occult is only seen via Skype!!!) as to neglect the fact that he still behaves like a crazy moron 80% of the time.
On the positive side, lawnmower.
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Post by ch00beh on Oct 21, 2012 12:49:53 GMT -5
I don't remember the lawnmower
actually I don't remember if Sinister was the one I was kinda watching that one time. Is it the one with the dude with a kid who is asleep?
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Post by Beelzebibble on Oct 21, 2012 12:51:26 GMT -5
You're thinking of Insidious, probably.
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Post by Ninety on Oct 21, 2012 21:57:22 GMT -5
Let the Right One In: 8/10
12 year old boy's only friend is a "12 year old" vampire. It felt a little long towards the end but it's really well shot and does a great job at creating tension in a lot of spots. The special effects were rare and really well done (except for one part but it was a difficult thing to do). I would watch it again. It's in Swedish and subtitled and on Netflix instant.
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