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Post by Kuroboom on Oct 16, 2007 23:06:21 GMT -5
Well, think of it as a fight. SV pushed Prime and Prime punched her in the face. Well, Prime obviously did something wrong when he punched her in the face, but SV started the fight by pushing Prime. Is a push that serious? No, not really, but it was what initiated the fight.
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Post by ch00beh on Oct 16, 2007 23:09:13 GMT -5
Plus the fact that many people jump on guys if they hit a girl.
This is taking the push-fest analogy too far.
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Post by Loogs on Oct 16, 2007 23:09:36 GMT -5
I really don't see it as SV wanting to pick a fight; she was just defending a fellow member because she thought Prime was being arrogant towards M&V. Again, had Prime clarified his comment as being just a joke, I'm sure SV would have understood and apologized.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Oct 16, 2007 23:11:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't think Prime was joking either. It's very typical of him to set down "the system" like that, as though he has any right to.
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Post by ch00beh on Oct 16, 2007 23:11:29 GMT -5
He did clarify it as a joke. Just not in a civilized manner.
Let's see how many times we can use that word in this topic.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Oct 16, 2007 23:12:02 GMT -5
Civil civilized civil civilized civil disobedience civil war civilized civilized civilized.
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Post by ch00beh on Oct 16, 2007 23:13:18 GMT -5
Let me rephrase that. Civilly.
How many times can we use "civil" or some form of the word in an actual sentence?
But yeah. Back on topic I agree with Kuro.
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Post by Loogs on Oct 16, 2007 23:13:20 GMT -5
Your mom acts civilized.
[EDIT] - Dammit, ch00bs brought the topic back before I got my absolutely witty comment in.
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Post by Baboon on Oct 16, 2007 23:14:40 GMT -5
Your mom doesn't. Seriously, speaking in Spanish about me with me standing right there as though I don't exist... ;_;
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Post by Loogs on Oct 16, 2007 23:16:33 GMT -5
Not knowing your mom, I can't quite say anything about her except that her name is Linda and she is apparently going through some mid-life crisis. =D
And therefore probably goes to Hot Topic and has several piercings not on her earlobes.
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Post by Kuroboom on Oct 16, 2007 23:22:11 GMT -5
SV wasn't trying to intentionally provoke him; she merely took his comment as him disrespecting M&V. This all could have been fixed had Prime merely apologized and clarified in a civil matter. But he chose to flip out and spew vulgar things from his keyboard. Let's review then. "...Kids like you are the reason for /ignore commands, aren't they?" That says to me that she feels what Prime says is worthless. I can see him being mildly offended by that. "I know you didn't just make rules for M&V. For reals, sir, out of all the people who have ever so much as heard of roleplaying, you're not one to be making demands of those who are not only a much higher caliber writer than yourself, but also much, much more literate." She defended M&V from a playful jab and then went on to insult him by saying he sucked at Role Playing (which is a matter of opinion) and was illiterate. "What I'm saying is, l2 not suck, n00bcakes." This is a summary of what she said in her own words. She said "Learn not to suck, n00b." I don't think she provoked him intentionally in the sense that she did it so he'd overreact and get banned, but she did provoke him by: Saying his comments were worthless. Saying he was a bad RPer and illiterate. Blatantly telling him he sucked and called him a n00b. Was there any foul language? No, but it is rather easy to insult someone without using foul language.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Oct 16, 2007 23:23:43 GMT -5
Okay, SOMETHING is up.
I'm not upset about Prime being banned. Hell, I was considering temp banning him myself, at least for half a week, permanent if he didn't apologize. It might seem unfair, but it's our policy. You get into doodoo and get banned, and you tend to incur MUCH higher ammounts of punishment for screwing up on your return. (Gil, who manages to duck and weave and always leave right before getting banned is an expert at evading the repercussions.) The policy, spelled out: A banning from the Exodus does not mean that we will not readmit you at a later date. Generally, within the period of a month or two, we will allow you to join once more. However, if joining again, you will not have a clean slate. You will pay a significant fine (eg. El's RP character ban, Prime being inelligible for staff), and will be more susceptible to penalties for negative behavior than the ordinary member.
So banning Prime is justified.
The thing that gets me is that Babs said I did it, but I didn't, and the security logs say that Babs did. Babs, Steph, my office, now. You two have got some explaining of your own to do.
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Post by Loogs on Oct 16, 2007 23:25:41 GMT -5
Babs further banned him after seeing that someone e-mail banned him. That might explain the logs. And you have an office?!
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Post by Baboon on Oct 16, 2007 23:26:54 GMT -5
...I know damn well I didn't ban him at first. When I got to the page where I could, his email address already was banned, but nothing else. I found that a bit odd, but seemed consistent with your stance on past ban issues, hence I assumed you did it. If not, I really don't have a clue what happened.
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Post by Kuroboom on Oct 16, 2007 23:28:01 GMT -5
Eh, this is a mess. I've made my point. If anyone provides points otherwise and wish to discuss it with me, then I'll do so. I think I'm done though.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Oct 16, 2007 23:28:32 GMT -5
CORRECTION: The banning is at least partially clarified, though somebody must have banned his e-mail waaay long ago, cause I didn't. Babs, Steph, sorry about the misconception. Though I would like to know who banned his e-mail.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Oct 16, 2007 23:29:18 GMT -5
Kuro, I'd still like to know whether the point you're driving at is that SV should be punished in any way.
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Post by Kuroboom on Oct 16, 2007 23:31:51 GMT -5
I think at least a slap on the wrist. While she was defending Misty, albeit from a rather obvious joke, she did insult Prime on several issues and initiated the fight.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Oct 16, 2007 23:33:11 GMT -5
Fair enough. I mean, it's not my place to decide anyway, but I understand.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Oct 17, 2007 0:13:42 GMT -5
Well, as she never really got out of hand and this her first offense, a karma dock of 5ish should be about right.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Oct 17, 2007 10:06:38 GMT -5
Am I the only person who thinks EP docking is better than Karma docking? After all, the Karma just sits there and does nothing, really. It's kinda like MySpace pic comments. They just sit there and people compare numbers but really, it doesn't matter. EP docking actually stops you from doing something funky.
Yeah. My two cents.
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Post by bulbaboy on Oct 17, 2007 10:13:59 GMT -5
I think it should be both. An EP and a Karma Docking.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Oct 17, 2007 10:14:21 GMT -5
Ooh, no double post. Awesome.
The thing is, even when he does come back, he doesn't apologise. If he does apologise, he only does it so he's allowed back. He's told me more than once that he a) didn't mean the apology and b) has been tempted to repeat my mistakes which lead to my ban. From an unbiased point of view, even I can tell that Prime shouldn't be here.
Apologies again if someone else said this, but I merely skim-read the thread and picked this out.
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Post by Baboon on Oct 17, 2007 10:22:17 GMT -5
Am I the only person who thinks EP docking is better than Karma docking? After all, the Karma just sits there and does nothing, really. It's kinda like MySpace pic comments. They just sit there and people compare numbers but really, it doesn't matter. EP docking actually stops you from doing something funky. Yeah. My two cents. No, you're not the only one who thinks that. Karma, in all honesty, means very little, you're right. Yes, it's cool to have a lot, but nothing is determined by whether or not you have 5 or 50. EP, on the other hand... yeah. It could keep you from buying something fun. I agree with Bulbs in that it should be both.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Oct 17, 2007 10:35:01 GMT -5
Regarding SV's comment:
The thing is, what SV said to Prime seems rather tame. True, she provoked him, but she wasn't the only person in that topic who provoked him. Her comment seemed to be defending M&V from what could be taken as an insult, so in a way Prime brought that reaction on himself. However, the fact remains that she did not deliberately seek to insult him, whereas other members (Swingblade, to name one) did. Prime did not react to these comments, but they certainly baited him. He did almost act maturely and attempt to shrug the comments off, though I'm sure that's because in a favouritism competition between him and V101/Swingblade, he'd lose and suffer the punishment.
When SV posted, I can see two reasons behind his reaction. 1) He was sick of being ridiculed by other members and snapped. Or 2) He attacked a newer member he knows little about, and thus thought he was safe with his reply and would suffer usual punishments which are not massively severe.
I would wager, knowing Prime, that it is the latter there.
Edit: That is to say, if someone else who wasn't SV, such as myself or Aurora, had commented similarly, he would probably have assault us in a similar fashion.
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Post by SwingBlade Planeswalker on Oct 17, 2007 14:56:10 GMT -5
I'm generally a nice person. An elitist, sure, but I do work at being nice to people who have even a little bit of my respect. Prime was not one of these people.
I first encountered him on the other boards, I forget which incarnation you guys would call it. Anyway, in an attempt to RP, he kept getting pissy, and eventually led to me just quitting it again altogether. He liked to constantly bring this incident up. I was over it, it was done, yet he would constantly IM me and make snarky comments about the incident, and making implications about how I should do things. Was I jaded due to these things? Of course. I don't hold grudges, but I do remember things. I remember his personality, and apply it as I have seen it to his posts, as far as tone goes. I have a low threshold for asininity, which is ironic because I can sometimes be its chief practitioner.
This guy has never been an upstanding person as long as I've known him. I think you guys will notice and agree that he is the only person on here with which I've had any conflict. Those that really know me should know that that means something.
Was I wrong in what I did? Perhaps. Do I truly care either way? Not in the least. Clearly I have no opposition to his being banned. He has always left a sour taste in my mouth, and I honestly believe this place will be richer for his absence.
~Josh Clark, aka SwingBlade
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