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Post by Tout-Perd on Aug 4, 2008 16:06:29 GMT -5
It's not about his Bulbasaur. It's about his Bulbasaur's mother.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Aug 4, 2008 16:15:52 GMT -5
Not his Bulbasaur's second cousin twice removed?
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Post by bulbaboy on Aug 4, 2008 17:06:35 GMT -5
How about we just go with the "I'm a vet and outside of catching more legendarys I should have more freedom from these silly things you call rules" Plus, I am no where near the first to do this kinda thing. It's not like I created a whole new pokemon like other have done in the past....
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Aug 4, 2008 20:15:17 GMT -5
What exactly is the issue at hand? o.O
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Post by bulbaboy on Aug 4, 2008 20:37:35 GMT -5
You'll see in the battle.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Aug 4, 2008 20:48:15 GMT -5
I don't like where this is going.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Aug 4, 2008 22:11:40 GMT -5
Don't worry, it's not too much of a problem. Just think... "Move Replacement" and you'll be fine.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Aug 5, 2008 8:50:37 GMT -5
No, see, this is STILL not giving me endless optimism.
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duckyqueen
Citizen of the Archipelago
Duckys are Forever <(' )
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Post by duckyqueen on Aug 5, 2008 14:13:16 GMT -5
is teh evil going to be unleashed? ;o
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Post by bulbaboy on Aug 5, 2008 14:57:54 GMT -5
No, see, this is STILL not giving me endless optimism. That should be El's motto for the site lol
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Aug 5, 2008 15:00:50 GMT -5
I agree so much.
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Post by Q on Aug 9, 2008 13:24:39 GMT -5
Move replacement? If we're talking about Bulbasaur getting moves it wouldn't otherwise get, I'm not too worried, though it would depend on the move(s) in question.
On another note, just wanted to mention here that, pursuant to a PM conversation I have had with Lee, for purposes of PRP, Manaphy is going to be treated as a Legendary Pokemon, while Phione will become a Safari Zone Exclusive Pokemon. I will be editing Phione onto the Safari Exclusives list immediately.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Aug 9, 2008 18:20:30 GMT -5
Cuz Phione sucks?
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Post by Q on Aug 9, 2008 18:24:27 GMT -5
More like "because otherwise, it's not even theoretically possible for Phione to be used in PRP." Though I'm not gonna argue against your point.
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Post by Q on Oct 20, 2008 7:59:21 GMT -5
Just wanted to confirm; now that we know about the Move Tutor in Pokemon Platinum, and what moves he provides to what Pokemon (Serebii has all of this info), these are now legal for use in PRP, correct?
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 1, 2008 21:31:20 GMT -5
Yes. WHICH INCLUDES BUG BITE FOR BURMY. GEE, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HANDY AGAINST A BULBASAUR.
WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?
Photu: Needs m0ar ys.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 10, 2009 21:24:04 GMT -5
We need to overhaul the Pokemon Council. I specifically mean appointing me and Blood, and giving "council emeritus" status to a couple of the vanished members.
Especially considering the big idea I've got for PRP. Which is actually primarily a revamp of an old idea that had some circulation on the previous forum.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Jul 10, 2009 21:32:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I think there's no contest to just makin' us three the dang council. I mean, who'll complain?
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 10, 2009 21:47:31 GMT -5
If anyone else actually wants to resume their place on the council, let them say so. And until then, may the Fallfishers reign!
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Post by Tout-Perd on Jul 28, 2010 0:48:12 GMT -5
Rules have been slightly revised. Nothing big except for clarifying a point or two, and kicking three deadbeat council members off the council. Yeah, I'll randomly select you guys sometime soon.
Oh, and I removed Pokecharms members from the claimed Legendaries list. I think the two boards have branched enough that Mewtwo should be valid for use here, and Mewthree... well, fanmade Pokemon have even less reason to be reserved. Though Yoshi most certainly has Mew now, so I tweaked that. Probably should add BB's Shaymin as well.
Finally, I'm considering codifying the "Special Rule". Basically, each RPer can have up to three "special" Pokemon. That's not per trainer, but per RPer. Otherwise, it'd just be kinda overkill.
Anyways, Special Pokemon fall under the following: -Shiny (Don't know if we've got any present examples.) -Shadow (like in Collosseum, that is.) (Like Durant's Shadow Granbull, though he didn't keep that.) -Knowing a special move (that's not a rare tutor move, but a move that's impossible for it to learn. (Zebedee's Chinchou knows High Jump Kick, BB had a Bulbasaur that traded all its Poison moves for an equal number of Water moves.) -Other Special Qualities: Various other factors that are either unattainable or bizarre. (Dace's Burmy can change cloaks in mid-battle by taking a nasty chunk of recoil. This'll presumably hold true as a Wormadam.)
So, that's the special attributes bit. Don't know if it's really a formalized rule, but that's how I've handled it since the Beginner's Tournament era.
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Post by {WW}BetaBloodWolf7 on Jan 23, 2014 4:14:10 GMT -5
With the addition of Mega Evolutions I was thinking we should either add them to the Special list, or treat them like Legendary Pokemon. Pohatu, Lee, what are your thoughts on this?
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Post by Shrouded Wolf on Jan 24, 2014 12:28:19 GMT -5
With the addition of Mega Evolutions I was thinking we should either add them to the Special list, or treat them like Legendary Pokemon. Pohatu, Lee, what are your thoughts on this? I know I'm not on the council, but until (and unless) Pokemon Company is able to re-balance the MegaLutions, I say ban them as a whole. Or demonize them, the way you do with legendary pokemon. I mean, sure. You can only have one per team...but the stats on many of them are wildly exaggerated. Just look at Mega Blaziken and Mega Lucario. Oh, and just look at Mega Kangaskhan, holy shit.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Jan 24, 2014 12:45:41 GMT -5
But there's more variation in RP in regards to pokemon stats. I'm not saying a Rhydon using Surf in RP is gonna be treated the same as a Starmie doing the same, but it'd potentially do more than an in-game Rhydon Surf. I'd put them on the "special pokemon" list personally.
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Post by Shrouded Wolf on Jan 24, 2014 13:58:45 GMT -5
But there's more variation in RP in regards to pokemon stats. I'm not saying a Rhydon using Surf in RP is gonna be treated the same as a Starmie doing the same, but it'd potentially do more than an in-game Rhydon Surf. I'd put them on the "special pokemon" list personally. That's exactly my point, though. I'll admit, I phrased it poorly and you beat me to it. I'll elaborate anyway. Don't get me wrong, narrative is a great way of artificially balancing things and smooth out stat differences, potentially even making outclassed pokemon useful. My concern with the Mega Evolutions is a question of just how much are you asking people to suspend their disbelief. Here's a couple of examples (I'll use gen 5, since I'm still familiarizing myself with gen 6). -In competitive battles, presuming no limitations, Garchomp will win out against Flygon all day, any day, every day. There's a couple of things that Flygon is superior with, but that's not enough. He's too slow, as a main thing. In narrative battles, I can see the rivalry not being as absolute and people successfully using either pokemon. Sometimes, because of aesthetics, sometimes because of past narrative, and sometimes because of unique traits (e.g. Body size, moves, etc.) -Similarly enough, I can see a similar rivalry between Infernape and Blaziken (let's ignore the existence of Speed Boost for the moment) going the same way. Yes, the superiority of one over the other is absolute in competitive battles, but narratively, they can be competitive. My issue is the dissonance that's created when you take an OU tier pokemon with its solid movepool, great stats, typing, etc. and you try to explain how something that's been stuck in NU because it has the combat potential of a moldy potato is able to be viable. For instance, replacing Vaporeon or Gyarados on a team with something like Luvdisk, Simpour, or Basculin and being as viable as you were before. But, alright. With enough narrative fluff, that might just be possible. My issue is that compared to the competitively viable pokemon, nearly all Mega Evolutions create a similar (although, not quite as extreme of a) rift as the stat boosts are THAT drastic. Which is fine and dandy until you widen that dissonance rift even further bu asking people to suspend their disbelief to the point that the moldy potato is capable of taking down a Mega Evolved pokemon.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Jan 24, 2014 16:00:02 GMT -5
Egor is right: a Mega Evolution does have more narrative weight, akin to being a Shiny or a Legendary. It takes more suspension of disbelief for lower level stuff to trump Mega Evolutions, which may actually be more powerful in PRP than they are in the games. I wouldn't ban them, but I'd treat them as a special Pokemon; something handled with caution that can only be had in a limited number. No parties of Mega-Charizard, Mega-Blastoise, Mega-Venusaur, Mega-Lucario, Mega-Kangaskhan, and Mega-Chimecho running around; if you have a mega-Pokemon, it should be the very pinnacle of your entire party, or dang close.
As an aside, though there's no real way to make a rule about it or such, I'd like if we treated Mega-Evolutions as almost another (temporary) evolutionary stage instead of an item based trick. So if you've got an extraordinarily well trained Charizard (think Level 85+), it can go Mega, but it's only a temporary boost, and goes back to normal. So like the games, but you achieve it by incredibly hard work instead of item use.
PS. I really want to see Elliot use a Mega-Medicham. Those phantom arms... *drool*
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Jan 24, 2014 16:39:53 GMT -5
No plans for a Mega-Medicham in my Exodus character roster, sadly.
And I see your point, but that's also along the lines of the point I was making. I think I mistakenly thought "special Pokemon" encompassed legendaries, too. Mega-Evolution should be treated with the same weight that legendaries have, in my opinion. Rare, nearly-unheard of for a person to have and it requires an RP in itself to get the Mega-stone. With the flexibility of RP, I think it'd be fair to say a Mega-Evolution would be on the same level as a Legendary Pokemon.
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