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Post by ch00beh on Oct 6, 2011 0:32:21 GMT -5
hey guys what's going on in he—
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Oct 6, 2011 7:41:42 GMT -5
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Post by Hamuu on Oct 12, 2011 17:53:36 GMT -5
Ok, while staring at the progress bar on MSPA, and hitting the refresh every five seconds, a thought struck me.
So I started think about the scratch and how they are going to reset their game. Then I started thinking how weird is it gonna be to have new versions of John, Jade, Dave, and Rose. That's when it hit me, when the Trolls did their scratch, the punishment was the original heroes became the ancestors this time around. So I was like that would mean Bro, Mom, Nana, and Grampa would be the heroes this time. Unlike the trolls, the kids plan to be "outside" the effects of the scratch so they don't get reset themselves. So I then I started think about the role reversal and I was like wait, Jade's penpal said he was her grandson. If the roles were reversed Jade would become Grandma and Grandpa would become just plain Harley. I think that Jade's penpal is really Grandpa after the scratch.
Discuss.
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Oct 12, 2011 22:26:52 GMT -5
... Huh. It may very well be. But I've long since learned that throwing speculations often leads to Hussie pulling something completely random out of left field. >> But we shall see, I suppose.
... I am actually more wondering about the parallel session that seems to be running at the same time as the main. I mean. The one featuring fedorafreak. XD
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Post by Hamuu on Oct 13, 2011 16:29:42 GMT -5
Well don't forget, not only does fedorafreak have his own, so do that duo that had their own album. Mobious Trip and someone else. Or something like that, when he posted the album he said that these two kids are running their own session and are from the same earth as the kids. I wanna know about that one.
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Oct 13, 2011 23:55:23 GMT -5
Mobius Trip and Hadron Kaleido I believe. Huh. Which means that one planet can be the origin of multiple, simultaneous sessions - a curious concept of its own right. Huh.
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Post by ch00beh on Oct 24, 2011 23:32:10 GMT -5
Okay, so some things were brought up in the shoutbox:
a) some people (Kara) want to join b) meteors vs hijacking? c) trolls bad?
My opinions on these:
a) It would be great if people who wanted to join could join and I'd be willing to wiggle around to let that happen b) I like meteors better than hijacking without permission (see Prime's hullabaloo regarding pastry!Lucas) since meteors were established from the getgo as a thing that might happen to unresponsive players, but if you can get permission then that's better (also see pastry!Lucas). c) I agree that there are way too many characters already with writers who aren't 100% committed due to various understandable circumstances, so it would be a generally bad thing to overburden us further. I'm willing to give up my troll (and I went as far as writing a script to translate the typing quirk, so it's not like I didn't do anything with her) and in general, I wouldn't mind the number being cut down.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Oct 24, 2011 23:50:19 GMT -5
I hope people aren't counting me as inactive, I've seriously got a buttload of Reba material to upload. I'm just waiting on finishing a handful of convos (One's waiting on me, one on another guy) and redoing some art (which may take a bit more work, as my desktop just literally had a bucket of water dumped on it through the ceiling).
As for A, B, C... A) Who are we replacing? I'd be all for ditching a male character or two. If we're getting rid of Tangrow, so help me, I will go and spank him until he posts. B) I say it depends on the character. We could always go "Psyche, wrong session, McFly!" and just have the other characters trail off into limbo where they're still existing, but no longer key. C) I think we could always have the trolls somehow divided up into teams... It was slightly implied that the game inherently sorts them into teams so as to encourage their bloodthirsty ways. So we could have team Black, who is mostly people who don't have characters and wanted to write trolls (Blood, Kara, Lone), which actually get topics and are having their own session, and team White (or whatever), which is the troll alternates for established players, and only shows up via pesterchum with Black and such for a long while, taking the heat off folks with two characters. Nobody should have more than two characters, or more than one troll/human.
I have another troll suggestion BTW, but it's a pretty involved idea that would require more in depth discussion, so I'll put it in a seperate post.
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Post by Ninety on Oct 25, 2011 0:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by Tout-Perd on Oct 25, 2011 0:24:20 GMT -5
The idea: Trolls are inspired by insect orders instead of whatever the heck that silly system was we used before. Though it doesn't fit as neatly (The number of orders can range from 15 to somewhere in the low twenties), it does mean we can find a number we like and have some minor orders as inspirations for trolls who... didn't survive long enough to join the game. So we could have ten trolls, or fifteen, or whatever fits best. (Personally, I'm in favor of ten-twelve active trolls, and then about a half dozen deceased ones to showcase the lethality of their world) If somebody's complaining about number of characters, suck it up. Homestuck has well over thirty important characters. As is, we have twenty four, approximately. Trolls are not going to be an overload (in fact, their Lusii ensure that they'll keep things limited, as they tend to be minor characters, and fill the guardian and sprite slots at once). We're not making a tight story, we're crafting a world here, people. Try to imagine ORP with thirty characters as a thought excercise... Zebedee, Sly, Thyra, Natalie, Ender, Rie, Jonas, Terrian, Prime, Alyssa, Rhys, Helen, Miko, Joseph, Tsubota, Hector, Yoshimitsu, Illiana, Rick, Mia, Yoon, Valon, Nopcsa, Telrien, Garth, Renard, Emily, Lacy, George, Julia... That's pretty anemic, there. Good list of main characters and some support players, but you're missing a buttload of vital figures in that thirty... We can write a universe with 30+ characters, easy. What we need to fear is workload per author. If we can avoid too much work per person, this machine will run smoothly. As for my insect order idea (quite thematic for a race of bug people), here's a list of orders: bugguide.net/node/view/222292I'd consider Dictyoptera (Mantids) and Diptera (Flies) taken by the martial arts mantis and fly-based headphones troll respectively. BB's character would fit Hemiptera (Water Bugs and Assasin Bugs) due to the Masked Bed Bug Hunter, an insect that literally becomes coated in its surroundings to become impossible to see (considering that's what she does on a psychic level). That fits three major trolls to a T. The only ones left that I've seen a lot of info about are Prostitroll (who I'd advise disregarding, as I think nobody should have more than one character of a species (bar guardians, of course)), hS, and cV. There's Choobeh's troll as well, but we'd need to see more before we decided where she went (I'm thinking hymenoptera for mad as hornets, but y'know, that's just a shot in the dark). This'd leave us free to revise the trolls, and dump any trolls we've yet to see any work for. I think a (Somewhat) clean slate and a clear plan of action for the trolls is what they really need. EDIT: I never saw Belle's or El's trolls. Not sure on El's, but I guess I'd consider dC a fully realized troll, too. Not sure where he'd fit.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Oct 25, 2011 5:52:53 GMT -5
I made my troll! There was an intro post and everything!
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Oct 25, 2011 5:59:05 GMT -5
Personally I think the less we fuck with what we already have for the trolls, the better.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Oct 25, 2011 8:29:49 GMT -5
The idea: Trolls are inspired by insect orders instead of whatever the heck that silly system was we used before. Though it doesn't fit as neatly (The number of orders can range from 15 to somewhere in the low twenties), it does mean we can find a number we like and have some minor orders as inspirations for trolls who... didn't survive long enough to join the game. So we could have ten trolls, or fifteen, or whatever fits best. (Personally, I'm in favor of ten-twelve active trolls, and then about a half dozen deceased ones to showcase the lethality of their world) If somebody's complaining about number of characters, suck it up. Homestuck has well over thirty important characters. As is, we have twenty four, approximately. Trolls are not going to be an overload (in fact, their Lusii ensure that they'll keep things limited, as they tend to be minor characters, and fill the guardian and sprite slots at once). We're not making a tight story, we're crafting a world here, people. Try to imagine ORP with thirty characters as a thought excercise... Zebedee, Sly, Thyra, Natalie, Ender, Rie, Jonas, Terrian, Prime, Alyssa, Rhys, Helen, Miko, Joseph, Tsubota, Hector, Yoshimitsu, Illiana, Rick, Mia, Yoon, Valon, Nopcsa, Telrien, Garth, Renard, Emily, Lacy, George, Julia... That's pretty anemic, there. Good list of main characters and some support players, but you're missing a buttload of vital figures in that thirty... We can write a universe with 30+ characters, easy. What we need to fear is workload per author. If we can avoid too much work per person, this machine will run smoothly. As for my insect order idea (quite thematic for a race of bug people), here's a list of orders: bugguide.net/node/view/222292I'd consider Dictyoptera (Mantids) and Diptera (Flies) taken by the martial arts mantis and fly-based headphones troll respectively. BB's character would fit Hemiptera (Water Bugs and Assasin Bugs) due to the Masked Bed Bug Hunter, an insect that literally becomes coated in its surroundings to become impossible to see (considering that's what she does on a psychic level). That fits three major trolls to a T. The only ones left that I've seen a lot of info about are Prostitroll (who I'd advise disregarding, as I think nobody should have more than one character of a species (bar guardians, of course)), hS, and cV. There's Choobeh's troll as well, but we'd need to see more before we decided where she went (I'm thinking hymenoptera for mad as hornets, but y'know, that's just a shot in the dark). This'd leave us free to revise the trolls, and dump any trolls we've yet to see any work for. I think a (Somewhat) clean slate and a clear plan of action for the trolls is what they really need. EDIT: I never saw Belle's or El's trolls. Not sure on El's, but I guess I'd consider dC a fully realized troll, too. Not sure where he'd fit. haraamSandwich stays. He is the best troll there is. Look at this guy. You are not turning this guy out on his ear-shaped horn.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Oct 25, 2011 10:30:04 GMT -5
Your trolltag is scientificCorpse and you tend to talk ... to the point, with a lot of... sinister pauses.[/font][/color] You are an intimidating troll, mostly due to your fascination with the deceased. Your current research is determining the difference between high and low blooded trolls. Many of your friends are put off by your research. Your chosen strife specibus is boneKind.[/quote]
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Post by ch00beh on Oct 25, 2011 13:25:58 GMT -5
I disagree heavily with the idea that Househeld is the same style as ORP and therefore it should also have a clusterfuck of characters. ORP is episodic and scattered. It needs a gigantic cast because of all the different plots. Not even subplots. Most of them are straight up independent arcs.
Househeld has a central storyline of apocalypse->creation->whatever. While there may be many subplots, they always invariably lead back to the central story. I don't get where you're getting the idea that this is not a tight story. (or at least a story that is tighter than ORP)
From the getgo, there was already the idea that Househeld would have a beginning, a middle, and an end so that it could pick up momentum with a defined goal. After that goal was reached, then we could focus on the world building instead of relying on established canon. However, if you start bogging things down and make the goal fuzzier and farther to reach, you start losing any forward momentum because no one knows which way is forward anymore and we end up where we are now of people just wondering what to do with their characters. When people are not exactly sure of what to do with what characters they already have, you want to give them more characters with even hazier goals? I dunno about anyone else, but I think that sounds incredibly silly.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Oct 25, 2011 18:49:26 GMT -5
I think our problem is that we're centralizing things too much; I'm not entirely for adding more characters, I'm just trying to find a palatable way to get rid of the dregs (If Tangrow is so inactive we're considering ditching him, ditch his troll. And likewise, make everybody with more than one troll choose ONE to stick with.) Some trolls are questionable in their assignment anyways, as I'm sure you can see. Loogs has yet to post anything about her troll really, and she's barely kept up with a single human character. And if I'm not mistaken, Biscuit had a troll at one point? Please, guys.
So I guess I'm just campaigning for a reconsideration of a large percentage of our trolls, since I don't think a lot of our writers are active enough to warrant a second (or third!) character in this. The insect orders idea was just a way to do it more universally, whereas this seems like it'll need to be a case-by-case judgement call.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Oct 25, 2011 19:12:04 GMT -5
My troll stays. There are reasons.
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Oct 25, 2011 19:16:06 GMT -5
dM and lW are not going anywhere. Both of them. When their part of the story will come, they will both be active as all hell. lW is integral to Colin's plot in ways that are to be explained later and dM... Let's just say I have some plans for him, as well.
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Post by Loogs on Oct 25, 2011 19:16:29 GMT -5
oh nooooo don't count me out just yet i promise i'll post and make arts D:
however i do agree with the cutting back on the characters, it'll make everything run smoother. i will give up my troll if i have to if we could just streamline this more please. otherwise i just don't think househeld will ever finish getting off the ground.
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Oct 25, 2011 19:18:35 GMT -5
Honestly I don't see why we're even complaining about the trolls yet when our goddamn HUMANS have yet to go anywhere. >>
Stop complaining and post in the rp.
(I actually have a post in the works which is mostly stuck due to art reasons. Figured I might as well timeskip a bit so I won't have to wait for Tangrow to snap out of his Ethanasia >>; )
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Post by Belle on Oct 25, 2011 21:38:12 GMT -5
I am working on updating I swear I am, but I only just finished midterms and the 30-minute presentation preparations and the sourcing for my term papers so for the rest of the week I have a bit of time to myself. Until I start working btw I got a jorb yaaaaaay POINT IS Lee you wound me </3 This was my troll design way the hell back in what march? omg look at that face why is everything so elongated ooooops interrupting your raeg for two secondsYour name is ADONAI ARI. Your interests include reading many fine works of LITERATURE, as well as the perusal of ALTERNIAN HISTORY- or at least, what little there is of it. As such, you like to piece together the bits and pieces of history that are contained in the many journals of your ancestors. Each of them kept an extensive record of their lives and their relationships with other trolls. As a result, there are a lot of journals. Your INTERACTIONS with other trolls can often be classified as sleazy, primarily because you have a hard time taking things seriously. It's going to take quite the blow to your perception of reality to knock some sense into you. If we were to try and put the degree of this into perspective, it'd probably have to be approximately a METEOR-SIZED BLOW. That aside, when you're not intentionally screwing with the heads of your friends, you do manage to maintain intelligent conversations with other highbloods, or your moirail, echoedTreble. You generally like other trolls though, so sometimes you worry as to whether or not you'll ever find a kismesis. You are rather high on the hemospectrum, and are a descendant of a long line of POLIETICIANS. As such, the SILVER TONGUED ability has also been passed onto you; you do have a tendency to use it a little differently than your ancestors had, however. See, you use the ability that they had previously utilized to convince others of FACTS and IDEAS instead for creating ILLUSIONS. You are quite the creative soul, and make an art out of creating environments on a whim and imbuing them in the minds of those around you. It's pretty fun, and gives you the opportunity to be oh so smooth. Your trolltag is debonairCajoler and, because of your inherited ability, you Speak with a cerrrtain edge of eloquence and grrrace. Even though you're nothing but suave, you wield scytheKind with an astounding elegance and grace. Because of your HEIGHT and BRAWN, you strike an imposing figure in a fight and, well, not a whole lot of trolls mess with you anyway. You're too busy SCHMOOZING them OUT OF THEIR PAILS. Also you have a LION for a lusus. His name is MUFASLAN. He's fairly pompous some of the time, but chill and kind of an attention-seeker the rest of the time. He loves BELLY SCRATCHIES, but you're not really at liberty to share his one weakness. When you are rendered in a more symbolic manner, you are regrettably adorable. Ah well. C'est la vie. drawing Addy is addictive and fun and I enjoy it sadgsdhdhgj also another one, with another picture of his lusus herpaderp
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Post by Lady Kara on Oct 26, 2011 0:01:20 GMT -5
Any suggestions for creating a pic of my fan troll?
(aside from actually using MSPaint itself to create it...LOL; no idea where the heck it went on my comp for whatever odd reason)
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Post by Ninety on Oct 26, 2011 2:17:39 GMT -5
Honestly I don't see why we're even complaining about the trolls yet when our goddamn HUMANS have yet to go anywhere. That is exactly the reason why people are complaining about trolls. The argument is that if we can't keep up with the work required for one character, how are we supposed to keep up with two or more?
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Oct 26, 2011 5:41:37 GMT -5
Perhaps when the Trolls become plot relevant, people who can't keep up will be able to?
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Post by Ninety on Oct 26, 2011 9:26:52 GMT -5
The humans are plot relevant. What makes you think that being plot relevant will change anything?
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Oct 26, 2011 9:29:05 GMT -5
I think he means that when we get that far down the line with Househeld, hopefully people will be updating more frequently anyway.
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