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Post by Loogs on Mar 25, 2016 1:36:00 GMT -5
I think Radiance coincides with roughly the same time era as Obscured Truth; the only problem is lengths of time. I don't know how long the events of OT span, I think it was a couple of days but I'm not sure??? Radiance covers at least a few months, if not a whole year. Pohatu and I gotta talk this one over.
I guess Smooth Sailing is happening at the same time as Dis?? Again, lengths of time.
It would possibly be a huge help if we could assign years and maybe like, rough dates to these, because timespans are super important too.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Mar 25, 2016 6:46:28 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, I'm sure Radiance takes longer than OT, there's no problem there, as long as they overlap.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Mar 25, 2016 8:22:39 GMT -5
Invasion of Paymarble is canon 2004 Salcester was destroyed in December 05, iirc?
When we get into modern plots we hit a snafu where some characters (Pleiades) want the timescale as long as possible, and others (Garth) need the timescale substantially shorter (Garth's whole plot breaks down if the time between Triannual and Dis is less than 3 years)
Not to mention that the things closer to present tend to be on a tighter timescale, less about "This happened in 20XX" and more about "this happened X years ago". I mean, if you look at OT, it's pretty clear that in their timescale, LADC and Ish happened quite recently, as did Nopcsa's situation.
IF the whole site hadn't been dead for three years, this'd all be a lot easier, but right now we're dealing with some serious wibbly-wobbly time that shouldn't be thought about too hard. I mean, it's sounding like the best solution is moving most post-Exodus RPs FORWARD in time, so that they aren't as long ago as they seemed (as attested to by the fact that you want the version of Pleiades in Summoner Style to be 3-5ish, instead of an infant, which would require a handful of retcons, but nothing too bad.)
If that's the case, a rough timescale is: Chords, Summoner Style 2012 Triannual, Mirror of Urakuni, Endgame, Seagod: 2013 Bows, Emet, Whisper, Pyre 2014 Ishkabibble, LaDC 2015 OT, Dis 2016
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Post by Tout-Perd on Mar 25, 2016 8:29:15 GMT -5
Oh, also, for those wondering, Didn't's timeline goes something like this: (spoilered for those who like to piece together contextual clues) Shows up at Terminer Academy in a future topic, meeting at least Flint and Jesse Meets FutureBadass!Pleiades, probably 10-20 years hence Flint and Steel Smooth Sailing What Lurks Beyond the Dark
At some point, Through the Arras fits in there, and that comes AFTER Wouldn't (which you guys will be seeing once I finish one of her other plots, likely Flint and Steel or Sailing)
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Post by Loogs on Mar 25, 2016 8:34:35 GMT -5
That... really fucks with my timescales tbh.
OT happening concurrently with Dis means that it happens either concurrently or very close on Sailing's heels, which I'm not sure is possible because Radiance commands a pretty big chunk of time, and if it happens concurrently with OT.... we're in trouble.
Summoner Style in 2012 means that Pleiades is either 6 or 7, because she was born when Hector was 15, and Hector was born in 1990. I want her old enough to react but young enough that she won't remember things very well. That's why I was ballparking Summoner Style at around 2009-2010, and then Radiance coming off the heels of the end of SS.
Salcester is... if it's December '05 then Pleiades was already born, actually. Even if Pleiades was born sometime in '06, Vathalé would probably have been pregnant with her during the Salcester incident. I don't know about that one. I was kinda banking on Salcester being in '04, maybe shortly before Hector and Vathalé meet.
idk here, but we've hit a pretty big tangle
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Post by Tout-Perd on Mar 25, 2016 8:51:22 GMT -5
OT pretty unquestionably happens WAAAY before Dis (there's a reason why, but it's major spoilers), though there's nothing to keep them from being in the same year, unless Radiance clusterfucks the whole thing. So OT could be in the spring (unless something contradicts this? been a while since I reread the early posts), and Dis is pretty clearly six-ish months later. I don't see any collision there. Also, Sailing may happen before Dis, I don't really see it as changing anything too badly.
Speaking of changing things, does... does it actually hurt anything to just say Pleiades is 9? That said, I don't mind Summoner Style kicking all the way back to 2010... It really doesn't change anything, since we all (El, Loogs, myself) agreed that the first trip ended in retreat after three islands of being thrown into a meat-grinder, basically (Vs. Rick, vs. the people who try to abduct Pleiades, vs. I Ketut Topan), so Clemency is likely quite a bit later (all signs point to it being after LaDC, so Loogs' call on where it falls in relation to radiance)
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Post by Tout-Perd on Mar 25, 2016 8:53:55 GMT -5
Also, do we have dates on when the RP with the destruction of Salcester was? I thought it was '05 when I was in tenth grade, but it could have been freshman year? If it's 04, that works just fine too. Also, relevant to this thread:
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Post by Loogs on Mar 25, 2016 8:57:33 GMT -5
And that's the problem really. My plots and characters really don't favor the compressed timeline, because a lot of them rely on long spans of time to really sell stuff. All of a sudden, Summoner Style, Radiance, Clemency, and Smooth Sailing happen within very quick succession of each other, instead of being spread over like 6 or 7 years like it was supposed to.
It's the reason why Vathalé and Hector's romance is being played so quickly; it's because even with the longer timeline I still have to compress things.
I wonder what Pohatu and Elliot's verdict is. At least for Elliot, IIRC, he plays them all as if they happened the very year they were posted?
EDIT: Let's ballpark that Radiance takes places over one year. In this case, it has to happen in 2015 at the very latest. If Pohatu can find a way to delink it from OT, then I can be a little more flexible here. Ideally then, my timeline, if we don't have to worry about the Radiance-OT connection, would be:
2004: Salcester 2009/2010: Summoner Style 2012?: Clemency 2012: Radiance 2016: Smooth Sailing
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Post by Tout-Perd on Mar 25, 2016 9:07:21 GMT -5
...wat
If we go with this, assuming Salcester was in 04
04: Salcester, Hector meet Vathale 05: Pleiades is born some time either this year or 06? 09 or 10: Summoner Style happens. Pleiades is 4 or 5ish, give or take 16: Radiance happens in the first part of the year. The events in Part VII (IIRC) prompt Hector to actually have to own up to his fuckups, and leads to Sailing a few months after Radiance resolves.
I don't see anything that isn't making sense there.
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Post by Loogs on Mar 25, 2016 9:15:35 GMT -5
I'm trying to remember why. I thought it had something to do with either Hector or Dimitri, but I can't recall. Might have to do with the boat and what Hector has now been doing in the 6 years between SS and Radiance, but maybe we'll just say he was working on some other boat for someone. I don't know, but at least now it's a bit more workable.
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Post by ch00beh on Mar 25, 2016 20:37:36 GMT -5
I'm not really sure where Rie fits into this, though. Helen steals a spellbook, Terrian the Masher, Antonio takes a thing, and Rie hates magic, sooo... I think Chrobs is one of Rie's earliest major appearances, where all prior instances are just her being a chipper mercenary (old rie posts are super weird). Trying to carbon date my inspirations for Rie would put her actual introduction sometime around 2005* which leaves a 2 year gap where major things could have happened that I forgot, but I think that is fine since Ender was my uncontested main throughout that period. So if this is actually one of her first major adventures, we could just say Rie had been trying to find a way to get rid of her weakness to magic and went to the Institute in an attempt to find better information or even a cure. Maybe like a Genlab researcher defected to the Institute. PS. while doing archeology on Rie's creation, I remembered that Ender had an older sister who wore halo power armor or something dumb. Let's pretend that was just a piece of Ender's imagination. * Read or Die's US release I can put at New Years 2004 and Teen Titans ended its run in 2006. It is bothering me that I have no good way of actually figuring out when I bought and read Lt. Leary, Commanding because Adele Mundy is one of the biggest, if not biggest, influence for Rie.
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