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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 7, 2015 11:48:49 GMT -5
Now, I'm all for our TVTropes page; it's the greatest increase to visibility that the Exodus has received in years. However, I believe that a lot of it outmoded and irrelevant. I mean, seriously, Detective Ods? IIRC, he hasn't done a single relevant thing in about 8 years. I recommend we trim a lot of the fat (characters who haven't seen use in over 6 years, for one, and plots that fizzled out without any importance). I'd also recommend rearranging the characters page and possibly creating a General RP characters page to move the Househeld, Old APCARP and PRP stuff over to. Basically, I want to organize things, get them up to date, and freshen up a bit. After all, it's many people's first impression of the Exodus, and we want to make it as shiny as possible.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Nov 7, 2015 11:57:51 GMT -5
That's fine, I'll help. Saved a copy of the character page as it currently exists, so we can delete whatever.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 7, 2015 12:00:15 GMT -5
Changes that come to mind: -Does Drakengrad really need a tab of its own? I'd just throw Valon into Cherrygrove, since Marius is more relevant to the Highschool thread. Does the FRP tab even have a reason to exist? -Death, Detective Ods, Ryuu, Aya, Stray, Isambard Zonis, and arguably the entire Abandoned Characters tab can be ditched, I think? I mean, Death turns up in two or three RPs of note, but I don't think he actually is much more than stage dressing? -The Delfino alliance name can probably be axed; Pablo is boxed for the forseeable future. I don't know where we'd push Maude and Albatross off to (misc goodguys?), but I think we'd be better off reworking it into something themed around Flint And Steel, and working in Didn't and Belwyn, especially since it's arguable that Flint and Steel was the primary RP event for 2014, or so. -The main change I think should be creating a GRP characters tab, which'll let us move over PRP and Househeld, and let us start tracking the Aeon and Past Whitefall characters.
Any other suggestions?
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 7, 2015 12:10:55 GMT -5
Doing a more in depth read: -Do we need entries for Mia/Eragon? I mean, BB might start RPing again some time, but Mia's got a single bullet point. And everything about Eragon is just unfortunate. -I'd recommend moving the Summoners lower on the page. Miko, Iliana, and Helen are the only really relevant characters these days. -Maybe just lump Sakura Alliance into misc good guys? -Garth has two entries. Should we move him up to Fascere order, or down to Highschool? If we go with the typical thing, we'd move him up, but I'd argue he's of much more importance to the Highschool RP than he is within the Fascere Order. -Basilisk can be completely cut. He's a boxed character, and he's not really affiliated with anybody, and he's only got one entry. -Annanias, Detective Ods, and maybe Jacqueline could be cut from the tropes page? We've got two promising, original characters who kinda fizzled, and Ods, who never, ever mattered. -Does Bernard need an entry? He's important to some plot lines, but as is, he seems awfully insignificant on the tropes page. -Either APCARP gets moved over to GRP, or just gets cut? Revenant and Stray are boxed, and Orsini could fit in with the new ORP version of APCARP, especially since the Orsinis have been mentioned as a factor in ORP in a nod or two already. -We lose NOTHING by cutting the whole Abandoned Characters tab, I'd argue. Well, nothing that's been relevant in the past half a decade.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Nov 7, 2015 12:20:35 GMT -5
Jacqueline has been drawn by me so she is legitimized forever.
Yeah, APCARP can all go (including Orsini for all I care). I'm also honestly wondering if Househeld characters should go and just be preserved here.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 7, 2015 12:27:07 GMT -5
Finally, I think I'm going to re-arrange our main Role Play page, so that the individual RPs are listed in reverse-chronological order, so it'll go with "2015, 2014, 2013, etc." since that'll go better for getting people up to speed.
I'd argue we can lose the following items: Superplay fight, C'est Noire (maybe?), I Don't Need a Parrot, Voices of Darkness (maybe?), Spirit Forge, (I have no idea what Throw it Into Chaos was about),
I have no idea what to do with 2009. There's an assload of Prime plots and Elliot plots, but I don't know which ones were important. El, mind refreshing me on that?
I'd put all the Househeld RPs in a separate tab, beneath the ORP stuff. Again, FRP doesn't need a tab. Why isn't there an entry for Fallfish in PRP? Again, I'd say APCARP can go away (though notably, there's nothing in Dandelions and Fishsticks that makes in non-ORP compatible; I'd even argue it's surprisingly in canon!) We can completely dump Asikne Kiror.
Interestingly, the entire page needs no fixing to be compliant with post-retcon Archipelago Exodus, since we never actually mentioned the Pokemon islands throughout.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Nov 7, 2015 12:31:08 GMT -5
You can literally cut all of my 2009 plots - at this point, I've forgotten where I was going with any of them.
In fact, looking at it, the only RP I have up there that needs to stay is LaDC
I'm indifferent about the Househeld section. Somehow I don't see any of it picking up again
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 7, 2015 12:31:55 GMT -5
Jacqueline has been drawn by me so she is legitimized forever. Yeah, APCARP can all go (including Orsini for all I care). I'm also honestly wondering if Househeld characters should go and just be preserved here. I wouldn't mind seeing Orsini turn up in ORP as a Powered Enforcer, like I mentioned in the Ish thread. Not for Ishkabibble, but it'd be handy if the Mafia has two or three Powers on call in case things get really nasty, or if a plot gets out of hand somehow. Maybe it's a new development, in light of the Ansonia incident? (Essentially, the Mafia realizes this is an arms race with the Powers, and Cesare being Cesare, he decides that they want some big guns on their payroll) Duly noted on Househeld. El, Choobs, how would you feel about that? I'm okay with cutting it, since I've moved the only stuff of note from my Househeld stuff (Kendil Booker, Reba's guardian) over to ORP.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Nov 7, 2015 12:32:29 GMT -5
I'm indifferent about the Househeld section. Somehow I don't see any of it picking up again Agreed about Househeld, and even though I loved doing it and wouldn't want to disown it here on the forum, it's so derivative that I don't see it as something we would really want to advertise on TVTropes. I see what you mean about Orsini. Yeah, maybe I'll bring him back.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 7, 2015 12:33:44 GMT -5
That's three votes to cut it. Anybody want to do the honors, or should I just do it as part of the larger reworking later tonight?
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 7, 2015 13:04:34 GMT -5
Okay, I've reworked the main Roleplay page. However, there is an issue or two; essentially, every influential RP that has gone anywhere started either in 2010, or 2015. Does anybody know of any influential plots that started in 2011 or 2014 at all? I coulda swore Ucalegon did in 2014, but turns out it was just wicked early this year.
I think main problem here is that 2011 was our year for finishing plots, and any attempts at new RPs were shot down with "Hey, you've got Ishkabibble and Obscured Truth and a bunch of other high profile plots to finish! Don't start any new ones!", and 2014 was the Exodus' worst year for writing, period. I think we've seen more posts in the past month than all of Exy got throughout the year of 2014. :S
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Nov 7, 2015 13:39:14 GMT -5
Saved a local copy of the Househeld characters and deleted them off the page. If we ever want to put it back on there, shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Nov 7, 2015 13:41:17 GMT -5
Cool, I've got a copy too, so you future archaeologists have two options in case either of us is dead.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Nov 7, 2015 13:41:03 GMT -5
Again, FRP doesn't need a tab. Why is there even a tab? I just looked at the characters page and it has no characters in it. At all.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 7, 2015 13:44:31 GMT -5
I went and flipped the main page by year, and started beefing up the tropes. I also purged all RPs that I wouldn't consider particularly essential reading for people joining the site/RPs lacking relevance to anything. (Some RPs I left up aren't particularly NECESSARY, but are good examples of the writing on the site for newcomers.)
If not for the lack of stuff in 2014, I'd argue it gives a MUCH better view of the site than the prior page. I'm tempted to find some piece of junk in the 2014 heap, if we've got anything at all, and Funeral Pyre for a Fuzzball whatever turns up.
ALSO: Could somebody more skilled than I with the TVTropes interface start plugging actual links to topics in the titles? It'd make it much more convenient for readers, and furthermore, would boost our ranking in google searches, which would help make us more visible.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 7, 2015 13:50:40 GMT -5
MOTHERFUCKER, the TVTropes page has been linking to our old URL since 2012! O.O
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Nov 7, 2015 13:52:13 GMT -5
Question! The Fridge page only has one entry and it's a Househeld one - delete this as well?
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 7, 2015 13:58:24 GMT -5
Leave the Fridge, take the cannoli.
(More seriously, leave the page. There's some stuff in various RPs that can be used to fill it out.)
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Nov 7, 2015 14:46:43 GMT -5
I'll start linking the actual threads to the page later on tonight. I've done it for (Dis)Orientation, and I've added OT to 2010 but not linked it yet, or put any tropes there.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Nov 7, 2015 15:39:32 GMT -5
Okay just finished linking them all, pretty sure I got all the links/coding/etc right. I didn't know what to link the Ulima Tournament to, though, since there's more than one thread involved. Also deleted a couple out of mine that doesn't need to be there any more.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 7, 2015 21:55:00 GMT -5
Excellent work, El! I added a few entries under the most recent threads, make them look a little nicer and give a general idea about what's going on. Also purged the Abandoned Character, APCARP, and FRP tabs from the characters section, but it still looks cluttered. I'm almost thinking we might want to create faction based pages? Too much work for right now, but if it continues growing, it'd be justifiable fairly soon. (heck, maybe just split into "Heroic Factions" "Neutral Factions" "Villainous Factions"?)
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Nov 9, 2015 11:41:49 GMT -5
Hey Pohatu, I just tried to fix the links in the Boullogne section because they were using the old url but they're still broken - I don't know which posts exactly you were trying to link, so you might wanna have a look at it
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Post by Beelzebibble on Nov 9, 2015 12:34:10 GMT -5
Thanks for pointing it out, they should work now.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 11, 2015 14:37:37 GMT -5
Tempting low-hanging fruit: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CombatMedic has Play By Post roleplays up higher than any other field for some bizarre reason. Should we slam a Belwyn in there, since it'd be in the most visible slot on the page?
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Post by SHADOWMASTER89 on Nov 11, 2015 15:15:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure as of now if there will be any real point to tracking characters from Past Whitefall to be honest. I've currently put that on a far back burner and Brett hasn't really been super active lately so it's possible that entire universe is dead on the rails for the foreseeable future.
If you want to throw it up there you can, but i'm not currently sure if there will be much point in the long run.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 11, 2015 15:21:37 GMT -5
Ah, that's good to know. That said, Aeon could very well end up with entries, since it's got a pretty considerable footprint on the site these days.
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