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Post by Ninety on Jun 29, 2011 23:57:48 GMT -5
Yeah, probably. Mostly because I haven't heard anyone say anything like that in this topic.
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Post by Prime on Jun 30, 2011 8:21:02 GMT -5
Bluntly saying that no one wants to RP with you, on boards where the overall objective and passion is role play, is saying exactly that. Moving on with a statement that alludes to the recipient being conceited and self centered merely re-enforces the initial impression.
I apologize if you don't see where my objection comes from, perhaps I am merely deluded. I doubt it, but I can pretend if it'll keep the peace. Can we just stop now? Its annoying seeing this topic not only turn away from RP, but become more active than any bloody RP on the boards.
If only we could sew strife into topics so effectively, our post counts would be booming, and our fingers bleeding with the eager haste in which we write.
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Post by Ninety on Jun 30, 2011 8:45:53 GMT -5
See, again I disagree with you. I can understand taking offense to it but I think you're overreacting a little. And discussing an issue is easier than writing up an RP post since it's us just talking to each other. Besides, isn't this what you wanted in the first place? For people to notice what it was that you were doing? If this is the most active topic on the RP boards then people are bound to start noticing it.
As for the allusion that you're being conceited and self-centered, I agree with it. You're here making waves because no one took interest in your RP. Did you ever think that was the case? People just weren't interested in participating because they weren't interested in the story? How many RPs are started and left without even a reply? I read AK when you first put it up and immediately knew I had no interest in taking part. Some of it was because I was already spreading myself thin with the topics I was participating in but most of it was because I didn't find the story appealing. How many of the low power, non-fight, "dramatic" RPs did you glass over before AK? I remember you saying something to me while you, choobs, and I were hashing things out with Aleta. You said you hated the way the board was trending towards low power or no power characters because it alienated almost all of your main characters from participating. I also remember thinking how selfish it was to think that the board should stay focused on the RPs that you were interested in when it was obvious to me that a great many felt otherwise. I thought it was silly to think they couldn't co-exist and that it was hypocritical of you to be offended at no one taking interest in your high-power stuff when you were showing no interest to low-power stuff. There was even that instance where you told Pohatu to "break out of his comfort zone" and make a high-power character when you were so reticent to break your own comfort zone and do some low-power stuff.
Those are the accusations I have. As choobs can attest, I don't mince words when I'm arguing but I don't mean offense by it either so don't take this as me insulting you or anything like that. I'm just letting you know how I feel about the situation and I'm speaking on behalf of those who feel as I do. I don't really know how many others feel this way but I imagine some of them at least agree with me on a few things. So just try to understand our frustrations when we see you make a complaint about your RP being stagnant and how it's somehow a personal thing meant to slight you when so many other RPs are in the same boat as yours.
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Feel free to take offense, just know that I don't mean any. I can't stop you from reacting, haha.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jun 30, 2011 10:55:57 GMT -5
Coldly and objectively, I will say that you are just silly thinking that Pohatu and I are in cahoooooooots in order to keep you down. I did not have sexual relations with that woman. I mean, we're too busy trying to ruin each other's pet projects to sabotage anyone else's. I mean we're just not conspiring. The hilarious thing that I just realized is that Choobs has almost certainly pushed more for Ishkabibble in the past few months than I have, in the form of publicly goading Lee to post there. Choobs you are so terrible at sabotage, it is a good thing after all that you aren't playing in The Mole.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Jun 30, 2011 11:23:12 GMT -5
What we have here is a Chief who doesn't want to be an Indian.
Ninety makes the best points here. Every topic you make involves this Azure fellow, and they keep falling on their face. I think you need to reevaluate Prime (the character) and where he fits in THIS universe.
Check it. My main is a guy named Blackbird. I've used him the longest, he's my best developed and most powerful character... on other boards. You've never seen him here, except maybe in the Bios section, because he doesn't fit. I don't have a place for the Blackbird on the Exodus, and God knows I've been trying to make one. But I can't just inject him into the RPs and expect them to grow. He's a square peg in a world of round holes. You gotta fit the mold, Prime. You can't make it fit you.
The Exodus is now a universe where low-powered individuals intermingle with no-power citizens, and the real-world issues of discrimination, segregation, and persecution apply. That's the world we're playing in. Those are the issues we're addressing. Personally, I'm thriving. This is my shit. But I understand where you're coming from, having been on boards where you would have gone bananas from all the high-energy god-tiering going on. And yeah, I made characters for those boards. I didn't care for them that much, but I made them work for me AND for them - and I had fun doing it.
Thing is, Prime, we like you. We like what you bring to the table. We want you to stick around. But being a stick in the mud because we won't accommodate your characters isn't going to help you or us. If you want something different from what we've got going on, there are other ways to accomplish that. We're open to suggestions. One of the reasons I haven't done the retool on FRP is because I wanted to make sure it would be something YOU liked. I can handle the rest of the board, but I specifically wanted you in FRP because I know how much you liked the environment.
Anyway, I gotta grab lunch. Nobody's out to get you, Prime. Except maybe Choobs.
Yeah, definitely Choobs.
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Post by ch00beh on Jun 30, 2011 12:47:38 GMT -5
hate lasers everywhere
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Post by Prime on Jun 30, 2011 15:17:33 GMT -5
Been trying to break my high power mold actually, the Prime is Azure in particular has been re-thought and re-worked. It just hasn't made itself apparent yet, because there hasn't been a chance to do so. Now for the record, I don't mind low power topics so much. What I dislike is topics where I don't get to punch anyone. RP is an outlet for me.
Also, how exactly am I overreacting? I objected to the comment, considering it rude, and requested that he apologize. Moreover he hasn't, he doesn't believe he has anything to apologize for. And here I'm sitting, defending my viewpoint of being insulted, because I am. I'm not insisting he apologize, reword or change his views. I've merely made it known that I feel as I currently do, and whether the slight is considered minor or magor from anyone elses view doesn't much matter. I'm not slinging rocks or loosing arrows at anyone. I'm merely defending my perspective.
You guys are kind of assailing my perspective, as though its completely invalid.
As for your interest points... People were, and are, interested. Otherwise the topic would've flopped and not gone as far as it did. I'm making waves to advocate my topic, or I was anyways. Trying to advocate something I enjoy writing in makes me concieted and self centered does it? Well I'm sorry, but given the death trance the boards are in, it doesn't make much sense for me to advocate someone elses topic.
But I assure you, if there was a topic I was really interested in, even if it weren't mine, I'd advocate that one just as much. I'd like to advocate the crap out of Ghosts and Rust. I posted in there when I came back and spent some time trying to get the previously participating RPers back into it. Didn't work, but not much I can do is there?
Also the instance where I told Pohatu to break out of his comfort zone? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was trying to entice him with a mutual broken comfort zone thing. Gotta bait the trap, can't just wait on the other side of a glass door with a baseball bat and expect him to walk through. I do like the selective reading bit of that statement though.
Stick in the mud....Because you all won't accomodate my characters...
Well now, for this I really have to object. I have been repeatedly and consistently scaling Prime back, and some other characters too. I have been trying to adapt to the new style the boards is adopting, which I consider mainly to be Pohatu's fault. (You are the death of any RP I like ever sir.) I ain't gonna lie, the current board mood, setting, and style of RP? I don't like it. I reeeeeeally don't like it at all. There isn't much I can do about it, its just not my taste. I'm choking on it. I'm trying to adapt, because I love you guys and I love RPing with you, but its like liking rap...
For most of the planet sure, its mainstream and cool and it makes it a hell of a lot easier to interact socially when everyone has it in common. And it doesn't help at all those who think rap is terrible, terrible, terrible music that should be banished from the face of the planet and replaced with something creative and well thought, with musicians who write their own music instead of arrogantly thieving classic songs and remixing them with drop beats and filters, to put their own terrible lyrics on top off, where the chief objective is to 'fuck bitches, get money' and give damn all respect to anyone else.
Um, I'm not saying that the boards RP is like that, its just an example of how the vein is sort of incompatible with my taste. This vein isn't nearly as incompatible as rap, to me, but its still unsettling. I can't not break my comfort zone here, the RP style on these boards is outside my comfort zone.
*shrug*
What should I do? I like Tenjou Tenge, and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan, I like crazy over the top power and storylines. I come here to break reality, not foster its image in the darkest aspect.
To be blunt, just because I don't like oral doesn't mean I'm selfish, it just means I have reasons for not liking oral, and I'm not gonna be into it just because everyone around me has decided giving oral is awesome.
Oral is scary!
Sorry for the sex metaphor, but my whole family is like that and I can't think of a decent metaphor. -_-
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jun 30, 2011 15:32:31 GMT -5
I have been trying to adapt to the new style the boards is adopting, which I consider mainly to be Pohatu's fault. (You are the death of any RP I like ever sir.)
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Post by Hamuu on Jun 30, 2011 15:58:01 GMT -5
I remember you saying something to me while you, choobs, and I were hashing things out with Aleta. You said you hated the way the board was trending towards low power or no power characters because it alienated almost all of your main characters from participating. I also remember thinking how selfish it was to think that the board should stay focused on the RPs that you were interested in when it was obvious to me that a great many felt otherwise. I thought it was silly to think they couldn't co-exist and that it was hypocritical of you to be offended at no one taking interest in your high-power stuff when you were showing no interest to low-power stuff. The Exodus is now a universe where low-powered individuals intermingle with no-power citizens, and the real-world issues of discrimination, segregation, and persecution apply. That's the world we're playing in. Those are the issues we're addressing. Personally, I'm thriving. This is my shit. But I understand where you're coming from, having been on boards where you would have gone bananas from all the high-energy god-tiering going on. Prime, I feel you buddy. Think about how it is for people like me who’ve been around since the beginning. Do you know how many shifts I have seen the RP go through? When I started people joined factions and fought one another. It was hard as fuck when the war ended and we had to adjust to a new paradigm. Some people couldn’t and tried to make new factions but they puttered out and didn’t last. They weren’t shifting with the board as interests changed and new ideas were coming to light. I’ve gotten used to this - you have to learn how to change with it. It comes down to a simple question, “Do you like the board or the subject matter?” I like the board so I change as much as I can with it. If you like the subject matter odds are it’s going to be hard to stick with it when it changes. It’s not hard to change with it. Let’s take my three high level power houses as examples. Sly is the true beauty in the group because he can go into any power level topic he is welcome in. Since his level of power and abilities is entirely dependent on what tech he has on him at the time he is able to shift and adapt. Topics start shifting toward the lower end so I simply have Sly carry less tech around with him. Granted after Fracture, Sly won’t be around anymore. Rick is next and a little more difficult but I have written in a way for him to be limited. Since his dark side has remerged I have been steadily working him in a direction similar to Sly. If the power level of the topic is low then Rick is simply having trouble keeping his dark side dormant and he can’t use much of his power. If it requires high power then Rick is doing a good job mentally to control his powers against the dark sides will. The farther Rick gets into his story line the stronger and weaker he will become simultaneously. Finally Merlin, my strongest most powerful character, can fit into most any power level too simply because he is an asshole. He has tremendous power but simply doesn’t use it to help others unless it would benefit himself or unless Sly has asked/told him to do it. He can fit into topics depending on how big of a dick he wants to be. If you want to keep your current cast with the board as it shifts you have to adapt them, or make new characters (like I did with Jonas). That’s just my two cents there.
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Post by Ninety on Jun 30, 2011 18:49:51 GMT -5
What I dislike is topics where I don't get to punch anyone. RP is an outlet for me. As it is for many. Violence/anger is not the only thing you can let out through the RP though. Happiness, joy, frustration, love, sex, depression, fear, etc. I'm not slinging rocks or loosing arrows at anyone. I'm merely defending my perspective. As am I. You guys are kind of assailing my perspective, as though its completely invalid. I never said it was invalid. I'm just saying that you should try and understand why we feel the way we do. I'm making waves to advocate my topic, or I was anyways. Trying to advocate something I enjoy writing in makes me concieted and self centered does it? Yes. Not so much conceited as self-centered but yes. You've shown a consistent disdain for much of what goes on in the RP and have focused mostly on your own projects. That is a very good example of being self-centered. But I assure you, if there was a topic I was really interested in, even if it weren't mine, I'd advocate that one just as much. Aye, but there's the rub. You don't like very much at all around here. Also the instance where I told Pohatu to break out of his comfort zone? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was trying to entice him with a mutual broken comfort zone thing. Gotta bait the trap, can't just wait on the other side of a glass door with a baseball bat and expect him to walk through. I do like the selective reading bit of that statement though. Nah, it wasn't selective reading. The only reason you offered to reciprocate was so that he would do it first. It was "I'll do it if you do it," not "Look, I'm doing it. You should too." You made that much clear in the quote above where you call it a trap. Instead of it being an offer of good faith and an opportunity for the both of you to branch out a little, it was just a bargain you offered up so that he would join your stuff. Stick in the mud....Because you all won't accomodate my characters... That is the very definition of a stick in the mud. See?...I love you guys and I love RPing with you, but its like liking rap... For most of the planet sure, its mainstream and cool and it makes it a hell of a lot easier to interact socially when everyone has it in common. And it doesn't help at all those who think rap is terrible, terrible, terrible music that should be banished from the face of the planet and replaced with something creative and well thought, with musicians who write their own music instead of arrogantly thieving classic songs and remixing them with drop beats and filters, to put their own terrible lyrics on top off, where the chief objective is to 'fuck bitches, get money' and give damn all respect to anyone else. Man, you need to listen to better rap. Rakim is god-level poetry. Mos Def and KRS-One hold heavy pens too. Um, I'm not saying that the boards RP is like that, its just an example of how the vein is sort of incompatible with my taste. This vein isn't nearly as incompatible as rap, to me, but its still unsettling. I can't not break my comfort zone here, the RP style on these boards is outside my comfort zone. *shrug* Sorry? I apologize for everyone doing their own thing because I know now that it makes you uncomfortable. *shrug* What should I do? I like Tenjou Tenge, and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan, I like crazy over the top power and storylines. I come here to break reality, not foster its image in the darkest aspect. I like TTGL. I liked Baccano and Cowboy Bebop more.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Jun 30, 2011 22:20:08 GMT -5
'fuck bitches, get money' I dunno, Ninety, he's got you here.
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Post by Ninety on Jul 1, 2011 1:28:10 GMT -5
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Post by Prime on Jul 1, 2011 7:33:18 GMT -5
Yeah I recognize your points Bulbs, and I've been moving towards them. In fact, Sly and Prime would have a very similar method of limitation assuming I could even finish Azure. Additionally, all my new characters that conform to the boards current status, as well as weaving the larger story arc I've been planning, are to be tied into Prime as things progress. They aren't each indipendent, they are all meant to be an interdependent web, a cast with a focus that looks beyond the individual characters involved.
I'm trying to kick this topic onwards because I want concrete tie ins, I like continuety, I was always killing myself by how often my topics died, and how much I'd just write as though they'd been finished despite the deaths. Hell, if I hadn't, Prime would still be a simple blademaster with an element of fire control. When I think about his intro, and how he introduced himself to Cobra, I flinch a little inside. Truly, that should've been the end of Prime.
But yes, lets say I've been....creative, with the direction I wish Prime to take. A long while ago I was bouncing idea's of Choobeh, we jointly thought they were excellent, and I've been planning on implimenting them. Now I have the chance, but I don't wish it to be out of the blue. Cause, and effect. I want my readers to feel the nuances of his new...tendencies. I want them to feel for him. It long past time Prime was merely a font of power with more tendency towards violence than words.
But yeah, my wonderful speech is empty until I can get my topic movin.
If anyone happens to know a place I could usefully post, feel free to point me in that direction. Sept for LTR....LTR is just daunting with how much reading I need to catch up on.
I'm sure I could be in other topics, I probably am, but honestly since I came back... Well, the idea of reading every single topic on the first two pages of ORP, and FRP is kind of... Daunting. And I HAVE posted in APCARP, I've been waiting for Lee to continue his own topic there for aaaaaages. I really like the topic too, but I've long since realized that badgering Lee won't do much for you.
Plus you can end up banned, with the ban stick, and he can hit pretty hard when he wants too.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 1, 2011 8:45:59 GMT -5
I don't blame you for not wanting to touch LTR. Neither do I. That shit's a war zone.
(Technically I think I'm waiting on SV, actually, but I'm not sure when I'm ever not doing that.)
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Post by Loogs on Jul 1, 2011 9:05:30 GMT -5
Speaking of SV, whatever happened to the Illustrated contest?
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 1, 2011 9:06:51 GMT -5
Man, I don't even want to bother her about it because I can't think of a way to do it that lacks "...NUDGE NUDGE WINK WINK YOU SHOULD PROBABLY PICK MY DRAWING" subtext.
We need a neutral third party to get in there and bug the shit out of her.
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