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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Dec 7, 2010 8:53:12 GMT -5
So he's essentially the session's combo breaker. Another good reason for him to be Space. XD GG, universe.
Edit: I am aware, which is why I used a more mossy bluish-green rather than the NEON BRIGHT VIOLENT SPARKLY FIRST GUARDIAN kind of green. Simply went with green because we kind of planned Occlum to be green from the early days for some twisted reason. I suppose I could shift it, but it would require me to do a HELL of a lot of editing Colin's constant negative-green semi-dream sequences. Im not even sure I -can- edit the .
That said, red herrings (or rather, green!) are abound in Homestuck. Green is associated with both the First Guardians and the Green Sun, as well as with the Felt and Lord English.
Granted, there is a certain degree of overlap - Doc Scratch, a First Guardian, works for Lord English - who assembled The Felt from various beings found across paradox space and it is possible that at least a part of their power derives from edits made by Scratch/English. But that said, what was it that was said about certain classes of intelligent beings given First Guardian powers? They are granted omniscience. Perhaps Occlum could have a connection TO the green sun through this element of omniscience - maybe through some kind of first guardian powering its core? Something that can observe other sessions/paradox spaces/universes would need to have a connection to something that's out of time and space - like the outer gods (and Derse already has that) or perhaps the green sun... Occlum sure is weird.
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Post by ch00beh on Dec 7, 2010 9:14:32 GMT -5
That's fine. No need to retcon. Plus it's just me saying this, not everyone.
Maybe our first guardians are blue.
Exy Homestuck sure is weird!
Anyway, Tweak probably isn't the combo breaker on Rose levels. He won't actively try to break the game; he'll just exploit the rules so that he can see all the sights and then win. He'd fit better with Time, but it was already taken so yeah, and plus, the titles are meant to challenge the player, not fit with them.
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Dec 7, 2010 9:21:01 GMT -5
I was thinking Combo-Breaker like Jade or Kanaya, rather than a Game-Breaker like Rose. XD
... HUH. I had an interesting idea.
What if Occlum had no single associated color? It is, after all, the grey to Derse and Prospit's Black and White - a neutral observer. Maybe it could have multiple sections of different colors - or better yet, be a "colorless" fiber-optic like world with some form of light refraction prismatic nonsense going on, sections changing colors occasionally depending on the data currents going through them, too numerous to count...
... Would give Bustin some Double Rainbow reference material, anyway <<
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Post by ch00beh on Dec 7, 2010 9:43:49 GMT -5
That sounds double rainbow good.
And I dunno what you mean when you say Jade and Kanaya are combo breakers. Unless you're trying to call Tweak a lesbian.
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Dec 7, 2010 9:59:39 GMT -5
Jade and Kanaya seem to have access to more advanced technology than the others (slightly less apparent on Alternia as their orgtech is muuuuuuch higher-levelled than ours) and guardians of a more.. shall I say... advanced/significant caliber than the others (Jade had Bec, Omnipoterrier Extraordinaire, and as for Kanaya, her lusus was a frigging mother grub. Abdicated Virgin one, but a mother grub nontheless, and we all know that there may be something about that Matriorb...)
Kanaya has another interesting trait though - she is the only Troll that is capable of withstanding the rays of the blistering Alternian sun for too long. Note that all the Trolls dwell in shade - either only emerging out at night, sticking to the shade of trees or living bloody underwater
They both live in very isolated locales near a frog temple (an Island and an Oasis) and both are very strange in comparison to their contemporaries.
..... And Tweak lives in a wtf house that has an olympic swimming pool where he has a Shark.
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Post by ch00beh on Dec 7, 2010 10:09:45 GMT -5
you mean you don't have a shark in your house? :0
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Dec 7, 2010 10:15:22 GMT -5
Colin mostly has strange arthropods and an owl nesting in his back yard. XD
EDIT:
So. El and I discussed some things re: Occlum (among them, how is Occlum Prototyping supposed to affect the battlefield - the answer he came up with was that knowledge affects anyone who becomes aware of it) and we pretty much had the best idea ever.
He brought up the currently appeared First Guardians: Doc Scratch, whose primary trait is Omniscience, and Bec, whose primary trait is Omnipotence. Why not, then, he suggested, make the First Guardian of our session's planet omnipresent?
This was an interesting idea, but how could we pull it off with the DNA code connecting to the green sun? Then it hit me.
MICRO-ORGANISMS. They are everywhere and would be relatively easy to splice a code into. Also, due to their nature, they could also drift to other universes and settle in, reproducing and establishing populations - perhaps even through the gods of the Furthest Ring. It could be perfectly possible that what Occlum is geared to observe is these First Guardian Green-Sun-Linked Micro-Organisms.
TL;DR, Iruel/Midichlorians. Hurr. But yes. Green-sun-linked omnipresent first guardian, not omniscient (because it's not the right sort of sentient being) and though possibly omnipotent, what use is omnipotence to a bacteria? It is through their omnipresence that their work is done, and through Occlum is the knowledge gleaned from them is accessed (probably via agents of both Derse an Prospit as well as our characters).
Sounds awesome? I think so. Also explains the greenness of some areas. ^^
Edit the second: Since it strikes me Occlum would be accessed by agents of both sides (considering Derse agents have been seen visiting Prospit and vice versa) I would think that Occlum would be considered a neutral zone as far as the conflict goes, and that rather than monarchs (which fit the chess analogy on the black and white sides but not to Occlum itself) I suppose a prototyped Curator would be a more reasonable idea (signifying the status of Occlum as a repository of knowledge, and the status of a curator as the person responsible for the distribution of some exhibits and obscuring of other exhibits depending on circumstances). Maybe it could also have some kind of Librarian agents... Hn.
Also I still wonder if it looks similar to the other moons or completely different. It's kind of hard to be doing all this development without getting input from some other Occlum dreamers - I kinda feel like I'm taking over the development of this moon ^^;
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Dec 8, 2010 14:04:55 GMT -5
Works for me - I had always envisioned Occlum as the timeclock for the chess match that is Prospit/Derse. The Curator (not present yet) and the Archives over which he presides document every instance of SBURB that occurs in Skaia. That means us, the Homestuck kids, and every instance prior to the Homestuck kids (the idea being that the Prospit/Derse conflict has occured and been resolved (or unresolved) countless times before). Since it's neutral, it plays no part in the conflict, it only watches. But I always imagined having a massive chess clock on a wall facing a large observation room that would start and stop depending on Prospit/Derse actions. That was just a preliminary idea though.
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Dec 8, 2010 14:27:28 GMT -5
Seeing as Occlum is kind of a large moon there is no reason why what you said couldn't exist somewhere on it. ^^ Although considering the Prospit/Derse battle turns sort of -real time- as soon as enough prototypings are present, I'm not sure how that would work, clock-wise ^^;
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Post by ch00beh on Dec 8, 2010 14:35:42 GMT -5
Wierd time shit. Duh.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Dec 8, 2010 15:43:56 GMT -5
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Dec 8, 2010 15:53:29 GMT -5
I'm talking events, not just any action. Major events (strifes, plot-centric points, etc.) would start and stop the clock for each side.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Dec 8, 2010 22:28:00 GMT -5
!!!!! IDE/Theory: The Curator is the First Guardian.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Dec 8, 2010 22:39:13 GMT -5
oooooooooooh
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Post by Beelzebibble on Dec 9, 2010 15:42:52 GMT -5
Well, since we live on Earth, I always assumed this took place in an alternate timeline from Homestuck. Our session can't really happen in the same timeline after Homestuck because we'd be dead.
However, I think it makes sense that Sburb would evolve post-Homestuck, and through weird time shit it might seed evolved versions of the game back onto pre-Homestuck-destroyed Earth in alternate timelines; hence, us.
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Dec 9, 2010 15:47:00 GMT -5
Sburb 2.0. Just like Evangelion 2.0, only worse. @_@
I was just under the impression this was kind of an AU. The only way I could see a -future- Sburb happening is if this Earth wasn't Homestuck Earth but an Earth in a completely alternate universe created by a completely different session. Universes are pretty vast things, no reason why multiple Earths couldn't exist simultaneously.
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Post by ch00beh on Dec 9, 2010 17:54:00 GMT -5
I assumed that we could be playing at the same time as the kids, but of course it's an alternate timeline, just with us alive and them dead.
Like maybe it's Davesprite's timeline.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Dec 9, 2010 18:43:32 GMT -5
Well, I don't remember whose PM I mentioned it in, but I posited the idea of having terminals within the Archives that the kids could interact with to view previous (or future?!) instances that have taken place, or are taking place on Prospit/Derse. So at one terminal you could theoretically see scenes from Homestuck; at another you could see scenes from something completely different. At another terminal you could see scenes from Househeld!
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Post by Loogs on Dec 9, 2010 22:33:42 GMT -5
Is it okay if I post in Househeld and then edit in pictures a little later?
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Post by Beelzebibble on Dec 9, 2010 22:49:27 GMT -5
Yes. You don't have to put pictures in every post! I don't think anyone has so far!
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Post by ch00beh on Dec 10, 2010 7:04:54 GMT -5
I have pictures in all my posts that are of the utmost quality and perfection of beauty. If you don't follow suit, you're a failure forever and you're going to hell.
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Dec 10, 2010 8:09:53 GMT -5
"I don't think anyone has so far!"
I have, actually. xD but then again, I'm crazy.
"but I posited the idea of having terminals within the Archives that the kids could interact with to view previous (or future?!) instances that have taken place, or are taking place on Prospit/Derse. So at one terminal you could theoretically see scenes from Homestuck; at another you could see scenes from something completely different. At another terminal you could see scenes from Househeld!"
Yup. Actually, Colin's dreamself has been -eff-ing around with these terminals a lot, which is how he found out about the reckonings and SBURB in general - which influenced his decision to actually play it.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Dec 17, 2010 17:36:49 GMT -5
All right guys, I'm on break now and don't have access to a scanner, so I'm not going to be updating Flynn's topic until I get back. Not a huge problem considering I've been kind of sitting back and letting you guys catch up anyway, but I still want to use this time productively and put together a nice stockpile of suggestions for when I return.
So, LIMITED TIME OFFER: Between now and Christmas, I will reciprocate any suggestions that come in for Flynn. That is, you post a suggestion in the Prospit box for him, I immediately go post a suggestion in the appropriate box for your character. That simple.
If you feel like taking me up on the offer, don't post "I'll take that offer" here -- just go right over there and hit Flynn up. But if you want to announce your own deal of the same kind, go right ahead. I think it makes sense to start moving away from a pure honor-system approach toward more of a self-regulated commerce setup. (Sorry, Loogs.) I'll happily suggest for people who say they want to run similar deals with their own characters.
(By the way, I will also reciprocate the integrity of your suggestions. That is, not to hate on suggestions that are dumb/useless/joking/etc., but I won't bother responding with suggestions that are any better. Whereas, if you give Flynn suggestions that are thoughtful and helpful, I'll do the same for your character.)
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Post by Loogs on Dec 17, 2010 23:15:36 GMT -5
why are we apologizing to me again
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Post by ch00beh on Dec 18, 2010 19:56:23 GMT -5
Flynn: use camera phone as piece of shit scanner
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Post by Beelzebibble on Dec 18, 2010 23:37:07 GMT -5
Suggestions? Here? Dumpass.
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