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Post by ch00beh on Jan 15, 2011 13:44:08 GMT -5
wat. don't all games require installation
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Post by {WW}BetaBloodWolf7 on Jan 15, 2011 14:04:37 GMT -5
No, not all. But these games require an internet connection and an account, plus what seems to be a large amount of information (at least where SCII is concerned which required my e-mail address, my real address, a phone number and my name, even though I told it that I didn't want to be sent anything. I don't know if Steam games require that much info.)
All of that just to play a game on single player. That's too much and it's too demanding. Plus, the games that you paid for are tied to the account they're installed with. Which makes it a big pain to even just lend the game to someone else, let alone decide that you're tired of that specific game and try to sell it to someone else so you can get just a small part of that cash back.
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Post by ch00beh on Jan 15, 2011 14:09:52 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Steam just wants your email and your credit card, which Minecraft wants as well.
I don't see how you play games without installing them, unless you're talking about browser based games, in which case they still do install stuff on your system, except it's all in the temp and app folders of your browser instead of your Program Files directory, and the installation is silent so you don't even know what they're sticking in your system.
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Post by {WW}BetaBloodWolf7 on Jan 15, 2011 14:33:04 GMT -5
I don't handle paypal, so I don't know much about that, but I don't recall Minecraft ever needing my e-mail address, just an account. To be fair, it's not like you can buy the game at a store so needing your credit card info is rather reasonable. And, as such, I can understand having an account tied to the game you just purchased since you get the convenient ability to re-dl the game anywhere (it's the one thing I like about Steam and the like)
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Post by ch00beh on Jan 15, 2011 15:18:29 GMT -5
Doesn't it require your email for registering? I forgot.
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Post by Ninety on Jan 15, 2011 16:26:26 GMT -5
In SC2's case, they make you register with bnet since it's an easy way to roll out patches. If you play it offline all the time then you might not get the patches as they're released. Plus, registering with bnet saves you time if you have more than one game that connects to it. Diablo, Starcraft, WoW, etc. all tie to bnet so, instead of registering each one of those games, you just put in your bnet info. There's also the social aspect, like what Steam has, that lets you see when friends are online, what games they're playing, and lets you talk to them either through text or voice chat. The address stuff is just something you have to have whenever you need credit card info. It's to prevent identity theft. Also, Starcraft II can be played offline.
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Post by Hamuu on Jan 15, 2011 17:38:59 GMT -5
Also, as you mentioned liking Steam for it's ability to let you download games anywhere, B-Net lets you do that too. So you could still sell the game to a friend, since battle-bet accounts don't cost money, all he/she has to do is make their own account while you change all the info on yours (if you don't trust the person) then merge the accounts with his/hers being the dominate one and wallah!
Though I won't lie, I don't approve of the reselling of PC games that have a serial number (or activation code). Older games like the original Diablo and Starcraft are fine to sell or buy used because they didn't have the same license agreements then. However almost all modern PC games now require you to agree to not resell the game. And don't say I never agreed to that cause it's thrown in with all that other info no one ever bothers to read and just scrolls to the bottom so they can click "I Agree." By selling these games such as SCII you are opening yourself up to be sued possibly.
All this can be fixed though, simply do your research on games before hand like I do. Find out if the pros outweigh the cons. Watch as many videos on the gameplay as you can and try to find some with reviews. That way you can make an informed decision about whether or not it's worth it and whether you'd like to keep it or not.
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Post by {WW}BetaBloodWolf7 on Jan 15, 2011 18:02:44 GMT -5
I know that Battle.net allows it, and I know what the End User Agreement says, I read the whole thing before I installed the game. As is, I'm not going to bother with Diablo 3 when it comes out. I disagree with almost everything that these companies are doing. As a gamer, I feel insulted and assaulted by their tactics. I feel that if I play the game I'm going to be watched like hawk, and I really love how the agreement says that if someone is feeling pissy, they can just pick one of us at random and end our account. As to the selling, they own the game but I own the piece of plastic. If I get tired of a book or anything else, I feel I have the right to sell it, but that's a discussion I'm pretty sure we've already been through and if not we can save that for another day.
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Post by Hamuu on Jan 16, 2011 14:36:34 GMT -5
See that's where I am in complete disagreement with you. Blizzard and Valve are doing everything right. They are making it so they feel protected but also so they aren't giving you something completely retarded to figure out (like Spores stupid three installs). Yeah you have rights, but they have rights too. At the end of the day it's simple - if you don't like what they are doing or don't agree with their methods then don't buy their games. Good for you taking a stand against Diablo III. Lucky for me, as a gamer, I am completely fine with what they are doing so I will get to enjoy the awesome that is Diablo III. Also, I wasn't going to say anything at first but this... ...and I really love how the agreement says that if someone is feeling pissy, they can just pick one of us at random and end our account... I am sorry, but if you really believe they will do that then you sir are a n00b and have no place in PC Gaming. I am sorry but it is just ridiculous.
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Post by ch00beh on Jan 16, 2011 14:59:06 GMT -5
They own the servers; therefore, they can kick people out who violate the publicly posted rules. It applies in every place that has patrons, both physical and virtual. Someone can't kick you out if they're just being pissy. For example, here I can end anyone's account here if I'm feeling pissy, but then Lee or Pohatu will undo that and yell at me. (or well, Pohatu will lol and Lee will gently tickle my wrist?)
The point is, there are even more formal systems of checks and balances in a big business organization. If I kicked out a patron at the pool because I was in a bad mood and not because I had a good reason, I'd probably lose my job and get sued.
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Post by Kuroboom on Jan 16, 2011 17:06:08 GMT -5
I understand that they want to protect their cashcows, but at the same time I relate DRM to the copy-protected discs and the warnings before movies. All it does is alienate the general consumer because we do the right thing and get harassed whereas a pirate just does what the fuck they want without being treated like a criminal.
P.S. Don't get me started on airport "security"
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Post by ch00beh on Jan 16, 2011 18:29:55 GMT -5
No one likes DRM.
But everyone likes Team Fortress and Steam.
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Post by {WW}BetaBloodWolf7 on Jan 16, 2011 21:43:37 GMT -5
See that's where I am in complete disagreement with you. Blizzard and Valve are doing everything right. They are making it so they feel protected but also so they aren't giving you something completely retarded to figure out (like Spores stupid three installs). Yeah you have rights, but they have rights too. At the end of the day it's simple - if you don't like what they are doing or don't agree with their methods then don't buy their games. Good for you taking a stand against Diablo III. Lucky for me, as a gamer, I am completely fine with what they are doing so I will get to enjoy the awesome that is Diablo III. Also, I wasn't going to say anything at first but this... ...and I really love how the agreement says that if someone is feeling pissy, they can just pick one of us at random and end our account... I am sorry, but if you really believe they will do that then you sir are a n00b and have no place in PC Gaming. I am sorry but it is just ridiculous. At the end of the day, it's simple; I'm not going to buy their games. I'm refusing. No, I don't believe they are doing it right. These methods do little to stop piracy (again, I have friends who have pirated these games purely because of their so called protection methods. I've had friends who wanted to do it legally, but were stabbed in the back by these policies.) And as to the last bit, I am pointing out that they have the ability to do so. I, sir, am not a n00b, unless you believe that PjB crap about spamming in which case I guess I may qualify, based on your interpretation of it. They do have the ability. Is anyone their likely to do so? No. It's bad for business, and whoever is stupid enough to do it would lose their job and the person who's account was terminated would probably have their account reactivated, or receive a full refund.
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Post by {WW}BetaBloodWolf7 on Jan 16, 2011 21:48:01 GMT -5
They own the servers; therefore, they can kick people out who violate the publicly posted rules. It applies in every place that has patrons, both physical and virtual. Someone can't kick you out if they're just being pissy. For example, here I can end anyone's account here if I'm feeling pissy, but then Lee or Pohatu will undo that and yell at me. (or well, Pohatu will lol and Lee will gently tickle my wrist?) The point is, there are even more formal systems of checks and balances in a big business organization. If I kicked out a patron at the pool because I was in a bad mood and not because I had a good reason, I'd probably lose my job and get sued. And to this, yes their servers are under their control and they're doing their job by policing them and getting rid of people who brake their rules. My problem is losing the ability to use the object on my own. I don't feel they have the right to revoke the complete use of the product.
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Post by Shrouded Wolf on Jan 17, 2011 2:31:09 GMT -5
I understand that they want to protect their cashcows, but at the same time I relate DRM to the copy-protected discs and the warnings before movies. All it does is alienate the general consumer because we do the right thing and get harassed whereas a pirate just does what the fuck they want without being treated like a criminal. P.S. Don't get me started on airport "security" Well... Maybe sooner or later, they'll learn a lesson from the music industry. You treat everyone like criminals, everyone will become criminals.
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Post by ch00beh on Jan 19, 2011 14:44:28 GMT -5
I would rather them learn from the indie developers: you come up with a good idea, and people will buy it.
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Post by ch00beh on Jan 22, 2011 16:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by Loogs on Jan 22, 2011 19:00:31 GMT -5
there is nothing more satisfying than absolutely straight-up slaughtering a scout who thinks he's gonna make it to the intel room.
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Post by ch00beh on Jan 22, 2011 19:51:36 GMT -5
My playstyle as a scout is "make beeline to nearest objective using triple jump"
It works surprisingly well.
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Post by Loogs on Feb 10, 2011 13:33:14 GMT -5
so far the new laptop runs orange box like a charm. I am very pleased.
steam name is missvriska, guys, anyone who hasn't added me yet feel free.
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Post by Hamuu on Feb 17, 2011 2:15:02 GMT -5
I find it funny that both me and steph have changed our screen names to troll names on steam.
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Post by ch00beh on Feb 17, 2011 9:48:45 GMT -5
I am still ch00beh. I am very consistent.
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Post by Ninety on Feb 17, 2011 12:36:35 GMT -5
i am still jmodum90
I think.
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Post by Hamuu on Feb 17, 2011 12:48:00 GMT -5
Last online - 165 Days ago... Son... I am disappoint.
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Post by Ninety on Feb 17, 2011 14:43:02 GMT -5
sounds about right.
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Post by Shrouded Wolf on Feb 18, 2011 0:44:19 GMT -5
Not sure why I didn't post this before, but... If y'all are interested, the Steam name is ShroudedWolf51.
Note: Temporarily uninstalled TF2 because of space constraints.
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