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Post by ch00beh on Apr 1, 2007 15:31:40 GMT -5
Don't worry, it's just Gil who isn't compassionate on this site. And, well, me, but that's just cuz I suck at comforting people. It's just that I have the decency to stay quiet.
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Post by Private Stiffy on Apr 1, 2007 16:03:58 GMT -5
Hahah, thanks for stilling my fears good man, I'll keep that in mind
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Post by Aurora on Apr 1, 2007 16:43:14 GMT -5
I do not pity her. I just do not like people being attack needlessly, unless with RP/IRL violence, then its funny. =].
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Post by Tout-Perd on Apr 1, 2007 18:17:37 GMT -5
That wasn't me that deleted him. Probably Prime or Babs. I never ban. (I didn't even ban Elliot after the INCIDENT) And the only time that I deleted an account was Albatross Treveloser, who had never taken any action on the forums, and had a blatantly trolling name.
(Lee Tirade about Steph's condition, part II) Let's put it this way: Her mother toys with her like a bug in a glass. I've seen her mother go and threaten all sorts of horrible things to go and wreck her up, and then go and cancel them. Like threatening to move to Colombia. And not just saying it. Calling up the airport, arranging tickets, calling family members, arranging luggage movements, getting the papers filed to transfer her schools, etc. And telling Steph that in Colombia, she won't have any friends, and won't be able to reach any of her old friends, who, if the mother has anything to about it, she'll never see again for the rest of her life. Telling her own daughter that she hated her and wished that she would die. ETC. And the one time that Steph told her to shut the **** up, she literally called the ****ing police and said that her daughter was trying to kill her. So Stephanie had to hide in the neighbor's place that night, because she got locked out of her house. I've seen this all first hand, or at least heard it as it happened. And I know full well I prefer taking a fist in the face to that sort of bull where somebody with more power than me manipulates things and uses that to become untouchable. I think that any of you would agree with me. Physical abuse, that's got concrete proof, something to show. If you're willing to find help, they'll hear you out. I know it, I've seen that in person where I live. Mental abuse? They always trust the guardian over the child, as it's the word of a minor vs. an adult.
Oh, and one final point: Although I still care about her, I have denied romantic involvement with Stephanie since several months before I turned eighteen. And as far as I can tell, that's totally legal for a minor to date another minor, especially with no possibility of sexual interaction.
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Post by prime on Apr 1, 2007 18:36:53 GMT -5
Sex is, also, still fine, as long as its concensual. If the parents find out, they can either A) Understand it and accept it. Viewing the other person as a member of they're family, or B) Be fucking assholes, call the cops, and sue. Its not illegal in any sense, it just gives the parents the right to sue the offending party, as well as coercing they're daughter into a state of compliency to fuck up the offending party.
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Post by Popebenedict on Apr 1, 2007 18:56:54 GMT -5
What gil said wasnt all untrue. I liked a lot of what he said, your blowing him out of proportion, and however banned him should be the one getting booted. Thats the one thing I hate about this site, if one person disagrees with a strong statement about someone else, and that person is a vet, then almost everyone else goes with the disagreerer and the person who made the statement gets ganged up on. I hate the fact no one but me is coming out in Gils defense. Stephs problem is not that bad. Lots of people have it worse. Trust me. She's a bit of a drama queen, and dont tell me she's not, cause I talk to her, in person, almost every day. You cant always blame it on the kid, cause a lot of the time they provoke it from the parents. Not saying its right for the parent to do what they do, but their are always 2 sides to a story, and your only going with stephs side of the argument.
Anyways, my case, let Gil back, there was no reason there for him to get banned.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Apr 1, 2007 19:27:03 GMT -5
As I said, I didn't ban him. But I did state that a blatantly flaming attack, not only outside its proper area, but also when he's got so many strikes against him in the first place, is rather conducive to getting him banned. I did not remove him, but there are others WITH such power who have been waiting for a go-ahead from me to ban him for a while.
BTW, Pope, believe it or not, I actually know her situation even better than you. I've LIVED two weeks in her house before, and I know what it's really like in person.
And I shall not contest that she is a drama queen, and has no diplomatic skill whatsoever. She certainly doesn't help herself in her situation, whatwith the absolute lack of control over her tone and body language. But I know the main problem is not her fault. She just makes it even worse for herself by acting the way she does around her mother.
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Post by prime on Apr 1, 2007 20:22:45 GMT -5
Uh, I'd like to add that I didn't actually ban Gil. Honestly, after not being pissed at him for more than two hours at a time, he's a pretty good guy. The fact that he's blunt is a personality trait that we may dislike, but we can hardly hold it against him. At least he speaks the truth, without tip toeing around the issues and vaguely alluding to it like it doesn't really mean anything but actually does.
I agree with a lot of what Gil said, even if it could've been more eloquently put. Not that I wish ill on Steph. I can see her reasons for being the way she is and acting the way she does. I understand and accept them, and I'm not going to hold it against her if she happens to be a complete friggin pain in the ass. But still, this topic is extremely drama-queenish, and all this topic is doing is providing her some semblance of support to fall back on when she falls through the hole again, proving people care enough to at least analyse the situation.
Personally, I think she should talk to her school councilor or a social worker, then buy a fucking tape recorder and walk around with a fucking high sensativity mic attatched to it, so whenever her mother is a fucking abusive bitch, she has proof. If she takes that to a school councilor or social worker, its foster parents time and one hell of a life improvent. But if she doesn't have the mental fortitude to do something like that, then she'll just have to suffer what she gets, and leave the rest of us the fuck alone. We have our own problems to deal with without being tormented by the thought of what Stephs mother may be doing to her.
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Post by ch00beh on Apr 1, 2007 22:16:04 GMT -5
I was the first one to pretty much agree with what Gil said in this topic, Pope. Honestly, I think the post was all perfectly fine, but that's just me, who thinks that so long as it isn't retarded, it shouldn't be censored. *shrug*
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Post by Bub@ on Apr 2, 2007 3:46:57 GMT -5
As much as I hate to get into the middle of fights, I now know a little bit more about the situation, and I wanted to say this...
Sad Gil: I understand your frustration. Your posts getting erased was even worse than getting banned. I don't quite remember what they said, but I don't remember them being erase/ban-worthy. It might had been Bulbs or Lugiasian herself, but the only reason I can see of you getting banned is some personal anger against you. And if that was really the case (with no warning at all), then someone's not modding by the rules, but by personal bias. It sucks that you can't just ban everyone you hate, but hey, it's not fair for being banned just because they don't like you.
Lugiasian: Get rid of that bitch! Like Prime suggested, get a tape recorder, a video camera - anything that can put her in prison for once and for all. Living anywhere else will be a lot better. But hey, at least (I believe, I'm not sure) she feeds you and pays for your school. You even had internet before...
PKS Lee Tupper & Private Stiffy: I get it. You both hate her mother, and there's a lot of reasons for anyone to hate her (now, even I do). But Lugiasian didn't tell us all there was to it, so it's not our fault that we didn't know everything. However, there was probably a reason she didn't tell us... are you guys sure it was okay with her for us to hear her situation? Is that fine with her?
And if you guys are friends with her, shouldn't you help her do something against her mom?
Like I said on a post before, I might not know all sides of the story, so don't blame me if I said something I shouldn't have. Just my 2 cents...
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Post by Aurora on Apr 2, 2007 12:26:51 GMT -5
She doesn't need a tape recorder or a video camera at all. She can call the police now. Lee has stated that he has seen/heard it. She has all the evidence she needs.
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Post by Private Stiffy on Apr 2, 2007 13:53:33 GMT -5
I'm just trying to get people to understand her situation, besides, you think it's intelligent for a minor to get involved in the affairs of another family, even if said family is that of your friend? You can't go and fix the problems of other families, especially adults, they'll just revert back to their natural ways and ignore your suggestions, it's human nature. Heck, I'd love to get involved, but it wouldn't be a smart thing to do, considering her mother already hates me, she calls me ugly and stupid all the time behind my back... she's never even met me before!
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Post by Bub@ on Apr 2, 2007 19:10:44 GMT -5
You can't go and fix the problems of other families, especially adults, they'll just revert back to their natural ways and ignore your suggestions, it's human nature. I know you can't. But someone should convince her to do something already, as living with someone who forces you to have suicidal thoughts and who mentally rapes you is definitely not good. Just telling her something like "You should do something against your mom. If you do decide to do something, you'll have my full support" would be good. In a case like this, I would even involve my own parents in trying to help her.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Apr 2, 2007 19:25:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I offered to call child protective services and such for her before, and she declined. The same thing that her mother uses to torment her also ties her down. She doesn't want to risk foster care, where she may be put into a similar situation, (Some, but not all, foster parents are jerks, as I can tell you from first hand experience with kids in the system.) and also, she'll most likely have to move to another school again.
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't. If I make the call, then it's just as likely that we'll never see/hear from her again as if I do, and in addition, I have to **** around with the legal system and such. And if I don't, she's trapped with an ogress. I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping that if I wait long enough, something will get better.
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Post by prime on Apr 3, 2007 0:36:34 GMT -5
Someone should've done this at the beginning...
[LOCK]
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