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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Nov 11, 2015 11:42:45 GMT -5
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Also, travelling to some exotic locale to hunt down the infamous Blackbird, and hires him as his partner. I can guarantee you that this would never have happened. Bird is many things to many people, but a partner he is not. He would have come to Ecruteak on a contract, or possibly migrating there after the incident in Tbilisi with the twins (Antibibble). Williams might have attempted to hire him on to casually eliminate some more Powers in order to gain political leverage on the trial, due to his ability. It is worth noting that the ability is subconsciously passive and that Bird has no idea that he can do it. He wasn't in the business of caring why some of the people he killed kept pointing their fingers at him and screaming WHY IS NOTHING HAPPENING. Joyeuse knows about it but keeps it a secret from him, using it as a trump card for contracts against known Powers. Choobs reminded me that this is probably Too Powerful and if it ever comes into play I'll need to bake in a weakness somehow. Probably stunning him or knocking him unconscious. We did discuss a duel between a powerless Mandelbrot and Bird and it was epic. Also Rie would cut him into tiny pieces and then shoot those pieces so that fight should probably never happen.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 13, 2015 2:36:43 GMT -5
BTW, Photu, have you PMed out directives for everybody yet? If so, I may have misplaced mine.
Looking through this, at all the scene that have gone unfulfilled: 8 technically needs a capstone post from me, bomb going off from Pohatu, and then me and SV providing a little reaction to get us to the main scene. 10 Prime and Alyssa filler. Doesn't matter, since Prime's away, and Alyssa is not a combat power at all. 11 Helen and Terrian chat. If we ever have a bit of spare time, we could bang this out via PM like the "featured character" interviews. 12 Basically rolled into 21, though it might be nice for us to do a brief scene of Blaise sciencing the fuck out of her captors. 13 More Prime and Alyssa filler. 14 Joseph and Tsubota filler. 15 This seems like a fun little thing to write, tbh. Also, instead of having the thugs gain the upper hand on Jonas via combat proper, it makes a lot more sense he'd be thrashing them, and they beat a slight retreat, grabbing two children as hostages to get Jonas to back down. Unfortunately for them, their hostages turn out to be a pair of adorable immortals with weird powers. 16 Scar and Lucas filler 17 Natalie and Tanner chat could be pretty easy, too. 18 Summoners and Terrian would be... simple, but not all that amazing. And that's it. If you don't count filler scenes, that's like 4-6 bits that could be done in two weeks of PMs each. Not saying this is at all a priority, not even remotely, just noting that this might be some stuff to revisit and flesh out once we've got the main event taken care of.
Now, that said, I just need to remember what my directives are supposed to be. :S I think I misplaced a PM in a big drift of messages about a variety of secret projects?
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Post by Beelzebibble on Nov 13, 2015 7:46:57 GMT -5
I agree with most of these.
Eleven would be fun as a flashback though I'm just as happy to not include the Lucas and Scar appearance. Biscuit could cook up a mean Lucas post or two but I remember Prime formally took the character back after one of the character polls.
Yeah, we can just completely add Twelve as a rider onto Twenty-one if you like, including Blaise overcoming Flo & Hugh.
Fifteen would be a good flashback. Especially if we could convince Bulbs to write Jonas.
Seventeen might be interesting to revisit if I ever actually get a handle on Tanner.
Eighteen would have been a good one to hit but yeah, not all that exciting. Probably doesn't need to be written.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 14, 2015 23:33:28 GMT -5
Silly question, but would the fact that Prime and Nopcsa spent several days playing Cat and Mouse across Luxury Train Ride have any repercussions for Ish?
As is, I'm just realizing that Blaise and Helen would have significant issues (like possibly coming to blows issues) over the Parmigianino heist, considering how much it cost Blaise. Not sure if this'll actually be an issue, but something worth noting.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 14, 2015 23:43:36 GMT -5
I agree with most of these. Eleven would be fun as a flashback though I'm just as happy to not include the Lucas and Scar appearance. Biscuit could cook up a mean Lucas post or two but I remember Prime formally took the character back after one of the character polls. Yeah, we can just completely add Twelve as a rider onto Twenty-one if you like, including Blaise overcoming Flo & Hugh. Fifteen would be a good flashback. Especially if we could convince Bulbs to write Jonas. Seventeen might be interesting to revisit if I ever actually get a handle on Tanner. Eighteen would have been a good one to hit but yeah, not all that exciting. Probably doesn't need to be written. Would you mind posting 12 as a topic, and just letting me write out Blaise having her rampage? It'd only be three-five posts, about the length of my last one. In my ideal world, we fill out as many scenes as we can for the sake of posterity, and 12 and 15 both strike me as really easy, and giving extra focus to characters who could totally use it. Eleven we could do via PM, and end it with Scar and Lucas busting into the restaurant (a short biscuit post?) Cut it off with one last post, where Helen and Terrian draw their weapons and get ready for the shitstorm, and let the other scenes fill out what happened. (Well, okay, in my ideal world, we'd remaster Ish to drop the summoners, add Telrien in their stead, and rework the names of everything to be Winstone Compliant, possibly editing out a few filler scenes to give more focus to characters who could use it (Alyssa and Rhys could each happily eat a filler scene, instead focusing on their day leading up to the incident, or some side story. I'd love to see one of the filler gun fight scenes instead done from the perspective of Alyssa, who is feeling the stress overtake her, and watching her powers creep down her arms as she tries to choke it down and prevent a calamity) I feel like there's one or two other characters who could use a focus scene, though I can't put a finger on who.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Nov 15, 2015 0:33:16 GMT -5
The Blaise-Helen thing is definitely worth noting, and I don't know if I ever thought of that. Prime/Nopcsa wasn't accounted for since all that went down well after the basic Ish plot was laid out, but yeah, if Prime were around and it weren't a moot point, I'd say we should definitely pay attention to that.
I'm down for filling in some of the middle posts, but only after the last three scenes are completed. I'm a flawed, impatient guy, Lee! Cut me some slack! I was all about dropping this final seven-page epilogue post down and calling it a day, and you very tactfully persuaded me to run some of these last scenes in full instead, but let's keep that end goal in sight. I'm all for picking up a few "Ishkabibble: The Lost Scenes" here and there in 2016 but I don't want to fill the plate right now. This bad boy needs to get off my chest.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 15, 2015 0:39:57 GMT -5
Oh, no worries. I'm just trying to stay in keeping with the Ishkabibble spirit, and know where we're going way ahead of time, so we can weave in foreshadowing and interconnectivity between the plotlines. I'm not planning on tackling these right now, but it's good to know what seeds and hints to sow into our existing works so that it makes sense with the larger whole. Realistically, I'm expecting Scene 21 to be done by Christmas, maybe sooner, and 19 to be finished by February, Lord willing. The other stuff can wait until at least February, maybe later. Not to mention, some of these more solo-oriented ideas could give their authors something to start pre-emptively working on and thinking about, which'd make the later fill-in plots go quicker.
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Post by ch00beh on Nov 15, 2015 1:48:39 GMT -5
petition to make this the song when bullets start flying and blaise starts 420 blaiseit no scoping
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Post by ch00beh on Nov 16, 2015 13:48:42 GMT -5
ishka21 has the pleasure of being the first story I've written with my super fancy fountain pen previous stories I wrote for /r/writingprompts has been with my less fancy fountain pen. you should feel privileged, potato.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Nov 16, 2015 14:21:40 GMT -5
Beautiful. I didn't know you handwrite rough drafts of your writing before typing them up. That's hardcore.
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Post by ch00beh on Nov 16, 2015 14:44:36 GMT -5
This is a new thing for me since I just recently got into fountain pens a couple months back. Ink variety is amazing and having a buttery smooth writing experience is dopenasty.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 19, 2015 10:34:00 GMT -5
Real talk: Would Williams ever hire an assassin to eliminate Powers that the police force isn't capable of handling? Or would the stink of his predecessor's scandal keep him strictly within legal boundaries? Additionally, if the opportunity presents itself, would he arrange an "accident" to dispose of a dangerous Power in custody, if he had the opportunity? (Not just talking any Power, but known dangerous ones with a kill count, like Scar, Miko, Zagaroth, etc.)
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Post by Beelzebibble on Nov 19, 2015 10:42:50 GMT -5
It's funny you mention that, because one of the premises of Ishkabibble's planned sequel, Due Parole, was that Williams would form a covert contract with an assassin for that exact reason. I don't think I ever shared my Due Parole synopsis with anybody but Biscuit, so good job.
But that was all before Obscured Truth, and now I'm honestly not sure whether Williams would do something like that. At the time of his conception I foresaw him becoming something of a villain, but he's gotten quite a bit more complex and I have very mixed feelings about whether he would allow himself to take such an opaque and underhanded strategy.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 19, 2015 13:00:14 GMT -5
I had figured about as much; Williams has his own unique code of Fair Play that he rolls with, and I think stooping to killing is beyond him. On the other hand, I could see him shooting a Power in an extremity if he saw them as deserving it (Cop killers, mass murderers, so on), and then filing it as self-defense because they "seemed to try to grab his weapon".
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Post by ch00beh on Nov 28, 2015 0:10:39 GMT -5
fountain pens and mechanical keyboards this time. lee this could be you if you had a keyboard that worked.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Nov 30, 2015 0:27:34 GMT -5
"Is there any power on the earth below or the heavens above that Terrian isn't on the shitlist of?" Scene 21: In Which Nopcsa Serves as a Greek Chorus and Provides the Tagline For Ishkabibble as a Whole
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Post by Tout-Perd on Dec 3, 2015 12:26:12 GMT -5
Just thinking about things, a brief inventory of how resolved characters seem to be at the end of Ishkabibble: -Terrian: This plot gives rise to the Rogues'n'Brogues. Needless to say, that's a big step in a good direction for Terrian, and ties up a lot of his longstanding issues, while giving him plenty of new ones (coping with a leadership role, figuring out how his new group fits into the Power politics of the Archipelago, etc.)
-Rie: Rie just kinda does her own thing. She gets money, I guess?
-Jonas: With Jonas, we get to see a huge chunk of his backstory. From the vibe BB was giving, Jonas finally finds a place where he belongs, which should make for a happy ending for him. Not sure what new arcs emerge for him.
-Rhys: Rhys ends up much closer with Helen, possibly FINALLY setting up a relationship between them and is no longer perpetually broke. I'm not sure where SV plans on taking him (it'd be cute to have him Superman and write up articles about the exploits he gets into, while trying not to reveal his role in all these highly illegal dealings).
-Nopcsa: Nopcsa is headed back towards good graces with Terrian, presumably, though still with tense relations after the Emet debacle. Leads into Ballots and Bullets. Also creates a slight conflict for Nopcsa, who is still working for the Order, but has the possibility of much more lucrative "employment".
-Blaise: I won't spoil things, but this wraps up a large portion of Blaise's first arc, and gives us some stuff to deal with.
-Lucas and Scar: I really see no resolution for these guys. They kinda wander off, completely unchanged.
-Mandelbrot: uh, ditto, I think?
-Tsubota and Joseph: They didn't really belong here. I guess Miko's pissed at them now? AFAIK, neither one has anything to do with Miko after this plot, beyond a passing mention of Joseph. So maybe they're on his shitlist, or maybe Tsubota gets pissed and quits, or maybe Miko just goes "hey guys, don't worry about it, just go enjoy yourselves. You're free."
-Julia: I have no idea how Julia comes out of this.
-The G-Bros: All sorts of fall out, and potential scandal to boot. Got some real interesting possibilities here.
-Tanner and the Cardsharks: Not too much going on really. They make their point and bail.
-Williams: This is what creates the "cold war" atmosphere in Ecruteak that persists through the rest of Obscured Truth and the like, and really what gets Williams GOING as a character.
-Natalie: Nat comes out of this asking herself a lot of questions about her morality. That's all I can say for now, but between this and the death of Ender, expect what you see from Nat in the modern day to be somewhat different from "Nat Classic", as Thyra has implied in Disorientation.
-Alyssa: No idea. This is on Blood.
-Prime: Prime gets a new sword. For him, this is what counts as character development. (A better author might have him get the blade, and start asking himself what it means to have a sword make you "more of what you already are", and might even start escalating Prime's negative attributes to make that point.)
-Helen: Also largely schisms off from the Summoners after this. I think with her, she's largely about finding her own place in the world now, though it's hard to define exactly how.
Am I missing anybody important?
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Post by Beelzebibble on Dec 3, 2015 12:45:49 GMT -5
Yes, you're missing Vinnie, Phil, and Dom, who realize that true love is the most important expression of humanity and that they shouldn't feel constrained by society's rigorously enforced two-partner paradigm when what they really want is to share a deep and committed relationship between all three of them.
I agree with everything you've said, both the positives and the negatives (as in, yeah, some characters don't come out of it with a clear gain). I'll only add that there's a little bit more to Rie's and Mandelbrot's outcomes. Hey, spoilers, Mandelbrot is actually DARK RIE, a Rie clone with the exact same moveset, but she's slightly slower, a little stronger, and way the fukkk edgier.
EDIT: Opened up Scene Twelve today, at some douchebag's request.
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Post by ch00beh on Dec 3, 2015 16:13:42 GMT -5
s/DARK RIE/MIRRORIE/
also rie alludes in one part that she is doing it for the money and to keep herself occupied since all her friends are dead
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Post by Tout-Perd on Dec 6, 2015 15:19:12 GMT -5
UPCOMING TONIGHT: BLAISE HYPE.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Dec 6, 2015 20:51:58 GMT -5
I find it fascinating that it used to be Nat who spammed shapeshifting, and Rie who barely used it, but in Ishkabibble, it's inverted. Natalie goes animal for a single chomp, and Rie makes savvy use of multiple forms.
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Post by ch00beh on Dec 6, 2015 21:01:16 GMT -5
i've always wanted a chance for rie to go cheetah mode, build up speed, then transform into a rhino mid leap to come in like a wrecking ball
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Post by Tout-Perd on Dec 8, 2015 0:56:24 GMT -5
Tragically, I didn't have a good spot in the pacing for Blaise to note that she'd considered acidifying Bryan's vitreous humors, but didn't because it was inefficient and less predictable what would happen when you make somebody's eyeballs melt through their skull. (That said, what she did in this post was more like just throwing lemon juice into his eyes- excruciating, but unlikely to cause lasting damage)
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Post by Tout-Perd on Dec 10, 2015 3:49:35 GMT -5
And also: Those crooks are so lucky they had a knifeman. Pissed off Blaise approaches Nightmare Fuel Unleaded territory, as I'm sure you'll all see in Whisper later on.
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Post by ch00beh on Dec 12, 2015 13:48:34 GMT -5
Actual spoiler for anyone who hasn't read ish21 MANDELBROT IS JULIA, BIGGEST PLOT TWIST 2015, 2014, AND 2013
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Post by Tout-Perd on Dec 12, 2015 14:11:55 GMT -5
I must say, I'm curious about the mechanism behind this... If this is somebody else's doing, a personality she herself designed, or my personal favorite, a result from all the paranormal weirdness that goes down in Emet. :3 EDIT: Also, I'm disheartened cuz you upstaged my "AND THEN YOU WERE THE REBAS" plot twist.
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