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Post by Tout-Perd on Aug 2, 2012 0:31:45 GMT -5
So, Elliot and I got talking about reviving Luxury Train Ride, and we hit upon the essential "Rich People on a Cruise" trope: The high stakes poker game.
I think we should consider running this in LTR, using Pohatu's recommended method from a topic a few years back. We appoint one RPer to play the dealer, and have a handful of RPers writing the characters playing the game. The dealer PMs the hands to the RPers, who then write the characters taking their turns.
Do we have anybody interested in writing the dealer for this? And furthermore, does anybody have a recommended variety of poker to have the characters play?
I'm afraid I'm not really familiar with the game(s), so I'd make a fairly poor dealer. I'd like to have a character at the table though, as I've got a pretty fun idea for developing one of my cast members. Cendra and Elliot have both said they'd be glad to be in as player, which I suppose leads to my third and final question here: Who else would be interested?
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Post by Beelzebibble on Aug 2, 2012 7:25:29 GMT -5
Massimo would.
He totally walked through the rec room at one point.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Aug 2, 2012 7:41:26 GMT -5
I'm planning on taking Pohatu up on his TRAIN-WIDE GAME OF CLUEDO
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Post by Beelzebibble on Aug 2, 2012 7:56:00 GMT -5
I don't think I ever suggested that idea but it is super dope
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Aug 2, 2012 8:02:49 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain you mentioned it in the thread somewhere while pushing for the rec room to be used. I could be wrong though!
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Post by Ninety on Aug 2, 2012 8:57:56 GMT -5
Texas Hold 'Em is pretty much the standard nowadays for professional poker.
Each player is dealt two cards face down. That's their pocket. Player left of the dealer plays the small blind (one half of the minimum bet) and the player to that person's left plays big blind (the minimum bet). That's to ensure that there is always money in the pot (the money you get for winning a hand). The player to the left of the big blind starts the betting. They can either fold, bet, or check. If you fold, you're out for that hand. You can bet anything over the minimum bet. You can check, which passes your turn to the person on your left. That person has the same options. If everyone folds or checks then it moves to the next round of play. If someone makes a bet, the players that checked will either have to call that bet (match the amount bet) or raise (bet + whatever amount). Play continues until all players have either called or folded.
Once the betting is done the dealer plays the flop. First, one card is discarded face down. Then the dealer plays three cards face up. These are community cards. Players may use the cards the dealer plays along with their own pocket cards to make a full 5 card hand. Betting continues as in the last round.
The next round is the turn. Again, the dealer discards one card face down but only one card is added to the community cards (often referred to as "burn one, turn one"). Betting continues after the turn.
The final round is the river. One card is discarded and one final card is added to the community cards, giving a total of five community cards. Once betting is done after the river, the player to the left of the dealer reveals their cards. Anyone who cannot beat that player's hand can turn their cards in to the dealer without showing them. You still lose the hand but you don't give away whether you were bluffing (betting like you have a better hand than you do in hopes of intimidating the other players into folding) or not. This continues until all players have either shown their hands or turned in their cards. Player with the highest hand takes the pot. Ties are settled in a number of ways, depending on a few things I won't get into right now.
That's Texas Hold 'em.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Aug 2, 2012 10:11:09 GMT -5
I'll deal. Are we playing a legitimate game of online RP poker, and masking it with character RP?
You can do message board poker very simply - the dealer uses a true deck of cards and PMs each player their hands (naturally, this requires a great deal of honesty on the dealer's part, though an online intermediary may be used to get around this). The community cards and betting are all posted in the thread.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Aug 2, 2012 10:49:30 GMT -5
Mhm. The one issue that bears mentioning is cheating. I wouldn't say RPers CAN'T cheat, since it's an entirely valid thing for their characters to do, but I think I don't want to allow it until the game has mostly run its course, since if somebody is caught obviously cheating, then the whole situation does the whole LTR-Standard "Dissolve into Violence" thing.
So maybe have Biscuit just send us a PM when it's okay for characters to start cheating? I know I've discussed different cheats and tricks with a few folks, so there's certainly some interest on that front.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Aug 2, 2012 11:29:53 GMT -5
I think Pohatu probably has some game theory applications detailing just how hard it is to actually 'cheat' poker (even if one character claims to have cards he doesn't, the dealer still has the record of the actual cards dealt). Sharing your cards is a double edged sword - unless two characters are working together with the goal of splitting the profit (in my book, a perfectly acceptable way of spicing up the drama of the RP) - because you are not only showing YOUR hand, you have no way of knowing that the cards revealed to you are correct.
Besides, we're not playing for anything tangible. In an RP setting I encourage and promote all manner of devious card play.
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Post by ch00beh on Aug 2, 2012 11:48:37 GMT -5
I'm only wary of this because of the amount of subtlety that I would be unable to achieve in regards to how my characters would act when they have either pocket aces or 2-7 off and the like.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Aug 2, 2012 12:29:59 GMT -5
That's almost the beauty of it - I've never done one where you had to RP through the betting. I would think the only rule of posting would be you can never directly or indirectly reveal your cards. I'd be very interested to see how players write out a bluff or a front or try and include a subtle tell for other players to pick up on.
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What if we included tells? After the initial hands are dealt, each player PMs the dealer their 'tell' - an action the character performs, or a phrase, or a code word - that indicates that they are bluffing. Nobody else is privy to the information, but perceptive players might pick up on the tell in each round of betting and react accordingly. Since betting goes in order, there will be a natural order of posting, and nothing will get out of order.
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Post by ch00beh on Aug 2, 2012 16:29:28 GMT -5
a tell doesn't necessarily indicate a bluff though--there could be a tell indicating that the player has a good hand, too.
I was going to say something about how being in the written medium also means that people can cross-reference hands with how a character acts real easy, but then I remembered that you are never required to show all your cards if you don't think they're relevant to winning a hand. That is a subtle rule, though very relevant to RP poker, to keep in mind for the non-poker players who are interested.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Aug 2, 2012 16:58:35 GMT -5
Then we declare two tells. I left the other tell out because that seemed complicated.
You don't have to show all your cards, yes. But you only get two in Hold 'Em. So the odds are heavily against you to win a hand with only one card.
Also, regarding Ninety's very well-put detail on Hold 'Em -
The big-blind, small-blind model is the standard for professional games. However, I don't want to have to keep track of who's what, nor do I want to explain it to someone who doesn't get why they have to pay in a round when no one else does. Therefore, if I'm dealing, I'm using the community rule where everyone antes (buys in) to each round before any cards are dealt. Easier.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Aug 2, 2012 17:08:17 GMT -5
- There's totally a rec room which no one has used yet and I am just bringing its existence back up for consideration. I want everyone on board this train to play one giant game of Clue, so sue me. Found it!
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Post by Beelzebibble on Aug 2, 2012 17:20:50 GMT -5
Oh yeah!
I think I just meant that everyone should gather 'round the table and play, but the idea of actually using the train as a giant gameboard for a Clue session would be like this much better (*holds his arms out really wide*)
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Aug 2, 2012 18:39:14 GMT -5
Okay... so who dies?
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Post by Beelzebibble on Aug 2, 2012 18:50:16 GMT -5
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Aug 2, 2012 18:57:10 GMT -5
Oh yeah! I think I just meant that everyone should gather 'round the table and play, but the idea of actually using the train as a giant gameboard for a Clue session would be like this much better (*holds his arms out really wide*) I was actually going to do both. Yoshi was gonna wander by every other post and roll the dice to figure shit out and stuff.
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on Aug 2, 2012 23:22:23 GMT -5
HAHA JOKES ON EVERYONE RHOMETER CANT DIE TRY AGAIN ASSHOLE HAHA HAHA
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Post by Beelzebibble on Aug 2, 2012 23:42:25 GMT -5
ha...
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HA
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Post by ch00beh on Oct 7, 2012 20:37:04 GMT -5
so when are we going to do poker and shit in LTR
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Post by Tout-Perd on Mar 8, 2016 23:26:31 GMT -5
so when are we going to do poker and shit in LTR
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Post by Tout-Perd on Mar 22, 2016 16:38:16 GMT -5
Since this is the closest thing to an LTR discussion thread: Where should we move LTR: Finished RPs or RP graveyard? It's not finished, but I think it in no way deserves to be heaped with most of what ended up buried in the graveyard.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Mar 24, 2016 15:07:54 GMT -5
I feel like it should be a basic prerequisite of RP Graveyard treatment that the unfinished RP doesn't have any noticeable bearing on current-day events. LTR established some character relationships that are still valid today, so I say keep it.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Mar 24, 2016 15:36:10 GMT -5
Bizarre suggestion: Either we throw some capstone on LTR to segue into Chips, or we merge thread Chips into LTR after it finishes, and use it as LTR's conclusion.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Mar 24, 2016 15:44:56 GMT -5
If we did either, I would vote for the former. The effectiveness of Chips' second-person opening would be really clouded by tagging it onto the end of LTR. And that RP's long enough as it is.
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