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Post by Beelzebibble on May 1, 2011 23:12:33 GMT -5
Discuss. Reserving the right to move this to Debates if necessary.
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Post by SV on May 1, 2011 23:20:31 GMT -5
Not a lot to say. The figurehead of one of the biggest foreign threats to America is gone. It's hard to say that's not a good thing. I figure it warrants a fist bunp for the U.S. and a moment of recognition, but that's about all. On to other problems need fixin'!
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Post by ch00beh on May 1, 2011 23:23:29 GMT -5
'murca.
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Post by Beelzebibble on May 1, 2011 23:24:39 GMT -5
Point DL.
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Post by ch00beh on May 1, 2011 23:27:08 GMT -5
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Post by Ninety on May 1, 2011 23:41:58 GMT -5
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Post by The Evil Biscuit on May 1, 2011 23:43:10 GMT -5
That gif is ay-mayzing.
And yeah, 'murica.
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Post by {WW}BetaBloodWolf7 on May 1, 2011 23:51:37 GMT -5
Yeah... Oh kay then.
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Post by Loogs on May 2, 2011 0:07:00 GMT -5
And all is finally right with the world.
Except not. Can we put down the American flags for a second here and ask ourselves what good this really does us? It neither ends terrorism nor brings back the people who died because of it. At most, it means we've taken out a nice chunk of al-Qaeda, but even that's debatable.
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Post by Beelzebibble on May 2, 2011 0:09:46 GMT -5
Can we put down the American flags for a second here and ask ourselves what good this really does us? It neither ends terrorism nor brings back the people who died because of it. One of which is physically impossible and the other of which is pretty much philosophically impossible. Whyn't you lighten up a little, set some slightly more realistic goals for your country, and admit that it's okay for us to feel good about this?
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Post by Ninety on May 2, 2011 0:11:27 GMT -5
Basically my attitude on this. He deserved it and it needed to happen but partying in the streets is not the way I respond to a person's death.
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Post by Loogs on May 2, 2011 0:13:47 GMT -5
I'm not saying we shouldn't be at least somewhat happy about this, it's just that I'm afraid that it could possibly lead to anti-Islamism getting worse, and that's the last thing we need.
I think there are better still-realistic goals for our country than killing bin Laden, but hey that's just me.
EDIT: And now add everything Ninety just said, because that's exactly how I feel about this whole thing.
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Post by Beelzebibble on May 2, 2011 0:19:10 GMT -5
I'm not saying we shouldn't be at least somewhat happy about this, it's just that I'm afraid that it could possibly lead to anti-Islamism getting worse, and that's the last thing we need. Anti-Islamism getting worse? Oh, right, because Islam was only going to develop a better and better global reputation the longer Osama bin Laden stayed alive. He truly was a paragon of Islam ideals. The kind of people who are somehow going to hate Muslims more because of this are the kind of people who'll ignore the part of Obama's speech where he reminded us "hey, this isn't about hating Islam, guys". Those people were perfectly content to hate Muslims a week ago. They'll always be around. Forget them.
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Post by Loogs on May 2, 2011 0:23:52 GMT -5
You underestimate the ability of the American people to be alarmingly racist. Look what post-9/11 jingoism did for us.
I don't think that is going to be a problem this time, but the amount of celebration we're* making over a man's death is just a little alarming to me. Can I at least be allowed that?
*the we here not necessarily meaning just the exodus, but rather america as a whole
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Post by Ninety on May 2, 2011 0:26:35 GMT -5
I agree with potato. I think this will have a bigger impact on the Muslim world's view of America than vice-versa. Extremists will look at our extremists as justification for their cause.
A mass murderer was brought to justice and the world can breathe easier now.
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Post by Loogs on May 2, 2011 0:28:37 GMT -5
I'll give you that, Osama being dead means there's one less terrorist in the world.
EDIT: Someone may have killed a shitload of people, but it wouldn't make me exuberant if he was killed because I know it wouldn't do a thing to bring them back. I think Ninety really hit the nail on the head with the "let's not make a hatefest out of things here" comment. I'm sorry if I suggested that we not be pretty pleased about this, but I'll pass on the celebration personally and instead hope that maybe this means we'll finally stop warring with Middle Eastern countries.
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Post by Beelzebibble on May 2, 2011 0:28:18 GMT -5
Oh, the "we shouldn't celebrate a man's death, you know, even if he killed a shitload of people himself" card? Yeah, I've already heard it plenty within the past hour and a half. Sure, I wish he'd been taken alive too. I'd've liked to see him put to trial. But either way he would've been dead before September, and that's all I really wanted -- for him not to live to celebrate the ten-year-anniversary of 9/11.
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Post by Tout-Perd on May 2, 2011 0:45:37 GMT -5
I'm glad to see Osama gone. I'm not overjoyed, but hey, I'm just glad he received some kind of punishment for the evil he's done.
So it's not exactly celebration, but it is a positive event. We just killed the figurehead for the terrorists. That's actually a huge move. People could always go "Look at Osama, he's still kicking and he's the US's most wanted man! They're ineffectual!" Now, well... Better late than never, I suppose. It means that they're seeing, yes, there is consequences for attacking the United States.
So though I doubt it will exactly do anything to mend relations, it SHOULD quash the feelings of invulnerability that the terrorist groups were getting from bin Laden's continued survival.
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Post by Beelzebibble on May 2, 2011 0:47:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I suggested that we not be pretty pleased about this, but I'll pass on the celebration personally and instead hope that maybe this means we'll finally stop warring with Middle Eastern countries. I would love for us to stop warring with Middle Eastern countries. Also, countries! In general! I hope this puts us a step in that direction as well. It depends in no small part on what al-Qaeda's next move is (in a perfect world, "to disband").
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Post by Ninety on May 2, 2011 0:55:32 GMT -5
Oh, the "we shouldn't celebrate a man's death, you know, even if he killed a shitload of people himself" card? Yeah, I've already heard it plenty within the past hour and a half. Sure, I wish he'd been taken alive too. I'd've liked to see him put to trial. But either way he would've been dead before September, and that's all I really wanted -- for him not to live to celebrate the ten-year-anniversary of 9/11. I was using that quote to express how I felt about the matter, not so much how I thought America as a whole should behave. Because we needed this. Oh God, how we needed this. For some, celebration is wholly justified, expected, and I'd say it's even encouraged. It's just not the way I feel right now. I'm sure that if the wound was still fresh, I'd feel differently but I'm not an angry person the way I used to be. I'm talking on a personal, philosophical level here. I'm still very angry about what happened that day. I just don't let it move me without thinking anymore. I've digressed somewhat and typing on my iPod is pretty hit or miss so let me try and sum up before these sleeping pills kick in fully. I retract what I said about not being glad about his death because I am glad. I think that it is right for us to celebrate the fact that he is dead but not the act itself, if that makes any sense. I don't mind that he wasn't taken alive because that would have just endangered the lives of his captors even further. I haven't read any posts that might've occurred between the post of potato's that I'm quoting and this one.
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Post by Beelzebibble on May 2, 2011 1:01:11 GMT -5
That post was a response to Loogs', not yours. You ninjaed me.
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Post by {WW}BetaBloodWolf7 on May 2, 2011 1:38:30 GMT -5
I'm not pleased by him being dead, but I am quite pleased about him being out of commission. To me it's just that he's rendered harmless, but I suppose that the best way to do that would be for him to be dead. At the very least he's a bit less of an inspiration.
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Post by Krazy Glue on May 2, 2011 4:13:53 GMT -5
Makeshift Patriot the flag shop is out of shop, I hang myself at half mast...
Sorry, Sage Francis always comes to mind whenever 9/11 is mentioned.
He was hiding in plain sight, I can't help but think this was on purpose, short of him being protected by the Pakistani military, his location just seems too perfect. I agree with the MSN article that warns people that US national security may be now more under threat than ever before, what if he went there on purpose, to get himself killed, purely to spur on more of his followers? Personally I'm waiting to see what happens now, this won't be the end, and could well be the beginning of something worse.
I wonder if whoever shot him in the head is getting the $50million ransom the FBI promised.
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Post by Ninety on May 2, 2011 7:54:49 GMT -5
I don't think the ransom can be claimed by military personnel.
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Post by ch00beh on May 2, 2011 9:29:06 GMT -5
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Post by Iron Mouse on May 2, 2011 14:18:06 GMT -5
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