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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 14, 2010 19:56:29 GMT -5
Read my post again. Look for the part that says "homestuck".
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Post by Ninety on Jul 14, 2010 20:00:30 GMT -5
You just like ambiguity too much.
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Post by ch00beh on Jul 14, 2010 20:04:00 GMT -5
it's not a square "You are stuck in a room. What do you do?
>:_" title, though. As such, it is the odd one out. I am still right.
Well, except for Lodgejammed, but that title is just dumb. I think we can all agree that title can get set on fire.
Besides, "bound" has connotations involving rope and whips and socks in mouths when referring to the synonym of "stuck." And that just has implications of being tied to a portcullis.
Is this what you want? Portcullis domination?
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 14, 2010 20:08:31 GMT -5
Gates wrap around houses, therefore "bound" works on a spatial-metaphorical level. You guys are just bad at out of the box thinking!
I mean, what, does Roomglued mean that you are literally glued to an inside surface of a room? Does Nestheld mean that we are all living in bird's nests?
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Jul 14, 2010 20:12:34 GMT -5
Does Nestheld mean that we are all living in bird's nests? You guys aren't? >>;; <<;;
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Post by ch00beh on Jul 14, 2010 22:41:36 GMT -5
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: yeeeeeessssssssssssss
Longer answer: See, glue has other connotations besides kindergarten crafting time (which is already a pretty sweet connotation). Another idiom in the English language featuring "glue" are "I am glued to my TV" meaning that I am quite enthralled and psychologically unable to move.
What is a common phrase featuring "bound"? "Leaps and bounds." No, wrong direction. "Bound and gagged." Again, Portcullis Domination. "This shit is boundanas." That doesn't even make sense!
Then there is the fact that a gate is an entrance, or at best, a foyer. It doesn't even have 3 full walls. Gates do not wrap around houses; fences do. If you wrapped fences around a house, you would have to have locks for every door and a guard for every post and that is completely unnecessary! Unless you are thinking of Bill Gates, but he is just a man who cannot metaphorically wrap himself around any house, and a Windows based security system that can wrap around your virtual home is a dubiously superfluous construct that won't do anything for keeping hackers out.
I secretly think you are not even thinking in terms of English. What are you, some kind of communist with the Russian and the Chinese and gobble de gook? Trying to let everyone into our gates while completely inconveniencing us by keeping us in?
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 14, 2010 23:03:55 GMT -5
I'll respond to the only pertinent part of your post and ignore the stupid trolling. " Bound by honor." ("Bound by blood," too, in the description.) " Bound by love." " Bound by my word." " Bound by contract." (Not sure why it's coming through as "Boun d" right there. It says "Bound" here in the editing box so I can't fix it.) " Bound by options." " Bound by law." I'm really not sure why you're trying to argue that it's not intuitive to look at "bound" and see past the physical "wrapped around" connotation, while you're simultaneously trying to argue that it is intuitive to look at "glued" and see past the connotation of, well, this... I think most people would agree the connotation of adhesive paste that "glued" invokes is way, way stronger than any individual connotation "bound" suggests. And that is what makes "Roomglued" a kind of dumb and awkward name for this RP.
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Post by ch00beh on Jul 14, 2010 23:14:28 GMT -5
man since when did everyone decide that everything i say was completely serious and needed to be responded to with patronization and angry faces or overly aggressive insults of intelligence as opposed to polite "this is why you're wrong."
it's like no fun here anymore.
So! No more attempts at refuge in audacity because clearly no one likes that. Completely serious Joe from now on who just does what he's told without trying to offer any kind of creative suggestion because that's clearly a Bad Idea.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 14, 2010 23:19:13 GMT -5
We were in an argument about words. Sorry for engaging you on the level of someone who is actually arguing with someone else. And if this is what offended you, sorry for calling parts of that post "stupid trolling", but that's what lines like "I secretly think you are not even thinking in terms of English" are. Anyway I thought you took pride in your ability to troll me.
EDIT: Also, if calling "Roomglued" "kind of dumb and awkward" was what did it, then sorry for that too, but I'm also not really going to back down from that position. This isn't supposed to be a personal attack, but yeah, I don't think Roomglued is as good a name as Gatebound. Since you feel the opposite, by all means please keep arguing for Roomglued, because the poll will probably stay open all the way up until the beginning of the RP (that is, through the conclusion of Boullogne), and if you have the opportunity to swing votes over to Roomglued then I'm not going to begrudge you that.
With you instead buckling down and calling yourself a creative outcast, I don't really know what else to say.
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Post by ch00beh on Jul 15, 2010 0:23:04 GMT -5
I had about 600 words of mildly irritated typing, but you know what? It's chill, dude. It's your RP, not mine.
I expect my script in the morning.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 15, 2010 0:25:41 GMT -5
Okay, I felt the burn on that one. Ssssszzzz.
But it's not "my RP, not yours". It's all twelve of ours. So get back to mildly irritated typing.
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Post by ch00beh on Jul 15, 2010 0:36:19 GMT -5
Nah dude. I took it too personal. But i mean if you want the boiled down version:
Domicileencapsulated, Roomglued, and Lodgelodged are the better names for this because they're ridiculous, playful, and stupid, respectively, or all three at the same time. Gatebound just makes too much sense when you think hard enough, which I guess is cool, but feels like it robs some of the feelings of whimsy that makes Homestuck so great. And yeah, I know it was all planned out, but there was still plenty of room for spontaneous subplots and unforseen character development.
But that's all moot since the execution has yet to be seen. I'm just trying to get everyone to think less "structured plot" and more "hey butterflies migrating in a generally southwise direction."
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 15, 2010 0:45:04 GMT -5
You guys are obsessed with whimsy.
Okay I'm kidding Jesus.
But I think Gatebound is better precisely because it doesn't enforce that kind of whimsy. "Homestuck" as a title is... All right this is stupid but it's what I keep wanting to say so here goes: It breathes well as a title, in the same way that a piece of clothing breathes well. It's just distant and vague enough not to force the story to be either serious or comedic. "Gatebound" is on the same level, I think. Does "Gatebound" really sound that much more SRS BSNS than "Homestuck" to you? Are the words "gate" and "bound" actually that much more EPIC and GRAVE than the words "home" and "stuck"?
Those other three you mentioned, and indeed most of the suggestions in the poll, take things very definitively in the silly direction, which restricts expansion toward the serious side.
(Also, if there was any subtextual griping in your last two posts about the big PM I sent you a few days ago, you knew what you were getting into when you picked Biscuit as your server. I promised shenanigans, the last entrance into the Medium, and a PM explaining more. Just for the record.)
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Post by Ninety on Jul 15, 2010 1:02:57 GMT -5
Let's get chakraHammer in here and smokum peace pipe. Interesting note: Safari recognizes chakraHammer as a word but not smokum.
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Post by ch00beh on Jul 15, 2010 13:28:04 GMT -5
No real subtext about the pm. If I didn't want it, I wouldn't have requested it.
Anyway, yeah, Gatebound does sound a whole lot more serious than Homestuck. Gates are special; they are meant to keep things in or out. The word "bound" has a focus. As 90 and I have stated, there's a connotation of being "bound to do something." Whether it be bound by blood or bound by honor or bound by ropes (and even look, all three of these things are pretty serious), it's compelling you to the Gate, whatever said Hell Gate happens to be, and when you find that gate, really the only things possible that you can find are action, adventure, or mystery.
The name "Homestuck" barely makes sense. And "stuck" is a very colloquial word, which gives the title a silly vibe, tempered only by the fact that "Homestuck" rolls off the tongue.
All those suggestions are silly because I just thesaurused the words "home" and "stuck" and arbitrarily amalgamated them. Abodestay is probably the most "neutral" one, but it sounds retarded. I guess Nestheld, too, but that is too bird-like.
Which brings up the question of why didn't anyone suggest "Flatheld" or "Roomstay"? Or Flatstay or Roomheld or something. This all could've been avoided if someone had just proposed those.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 15, 2010 14:12:45 GMT -5
Look, is it going to kill you if Gatebound wins? Are you going to say more things like "Completely serious Joe from now on who just does what he's told without trying to offer any kind of creative suggestion because that's clearly a Bad Idea"? Because it's in the lead as we are and if it's still in the lead when the RP starts then that's what the RP will be called.
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Post by ch00beh on Jul 15, 2010 14:24:17 GMT -5
It won't kill me if Gatebound wins. It's just a name. I was just stating my reasoning for not particularly liking it.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 15, 2010 14:27:24 GMT -5
I don't want to force anyone to go with a name they don't like, though.
But on the other hand if we were all calling it different things then on the whole it would just be "the Homestuck RP" again and we can do better than that.
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Post by ch00beh on Jul 15, 2010 14:33:59 GMT -5
It's not a bad name. It works for 7 people, so whatever. You can't pleasure 12 people at the same time. It's physically impossible. There aren't enough orifices or manipulators on the body.
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Post by Tout-Perd on Jul 15, 2010 14:38:50 GMT -5
Why has nobody suggested "HouseHold"?
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Jul 15, 2010 14:40:19 GMT -5
It's not a bad name. It works for 7 people, so whatever. You can't pleasure 12 people at the same time. It's physically impossible. There aren't enough orifices or manipulators on the body. Two in every hole. Including ears.
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Post by ch00beh on Jul 15, 2010 14:41:26 GMT -5
Funny story. In my previous post I had some sentence along the lines of "All these names are dumb, including Homestuck, which only sounds good because it's moved into the realm of household names" but deleted that because I figured someone would suggest "Household" and that would throw even more kinks into the system.
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Post by Beelzebibble on Jul 15, 2010 14:47:50 GMT -5
It's not a bad name. It works for 7 people, so whatever. You can't pleasure 12 people at the same time. It's physically impossible. There aren't enough orifices or manipulators on the body. Two in every hole. Including ears. That response was way too fast.
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Post by Ninety on Jul 15, 2010 15:43:20 GMT -5
I'd say it wasn't fast enough.
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Post by Yoshimitsu on Jul 15, 2010 16:10:05 GMT -5
Two in every hole. Including ears. That response was way too fast. That's what she said.
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Post by StellarWind Elsydeon on Jul 17, 2010 8:09:02 GMT -5
... Good grief, I don't look at this thread for a while and when I come back I find myself treated to a page and a half of people arguing BDSM, plastic adhesives and just how much humor VS ZOMG SRS BSNS should exist. Eeeesh.
I guess I'll throw in my two cents on the matter - because this argument makes no cents, and I figured I may at least give it the two copper pieces it needs to pay the ferryman and cross the Styx.
See, when I first heard Gatebound as a suggestion, I wasn't actually thinking about the 'binding' connotations of 'bound', but rather the more metaphorical directional ones, as in 'homeward bound' or 'westbound train' or what-the-flying-desu ever. In that sense it works - After all, in a typical session of SBURB the players are indeed heading in the general direction of their respective gates. The only reason I have a severe issue with 'Gatebound' is that it sounds way too much like Earthbound and HOLY TROLL JEGUS THAT IS A COMBINATION THAT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN. EVER.
(Even if Sollux already used PSI Rockin' Omega at least twice.)
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