|
Post by asmo on Jun 10, 2011 12:36:04 GMT -5
why would i lie about this stuff? the open beta was pretty much readily available for anyone who had a small interest in the game for over half a year. Even when it was closed it was easy to get into the beta.
Maliken is the owner of S2. I have played games with him. He has called me a nigger. He is in the clan S2. Many of the people who develop the game also play it for some reason. For instance, in addition to playing with Maliken, I have also played against Nome and MsPudding, two people who also help create the game Heroes of Newerth. He has a cool colored name to designate that he is part of the company that made Heroes of Newerth. I'm sure if you typed in any combination of the words maliken and a racial slur you would find trillions of cool posts on the internet about his immature behavior.
|
|
Geo
Joyeuse Insurgency
Believe It!
Posts: 105
|
Post by Geo on Jun 10, 2011 14:38:24 GMT -5
That's extremely stupid. Anyone could easily get the company shut down if that is truly him, which leads me to believe it is not him. The owner of such would never publicly do such a thing. You don't see the owner of KFC say his food is only for worthless noob niggers. KFC would shut down around the country. Bigotry is not legal. Its a subform of libel or slander. Especially on a public forum for the god damn CEO.
Got any parsed games with you in a game with him? Name and guild don't truly matter. Hell I'd even start the fucking lawsuit. Get some bank. Lawyers would eat that shit up.
|
|
|
Post by Hamuu on Jun 28, 2011 15:43:03 GMT -5
Can't we all just agree LoL is better and leave it at that?
|
|
|
Post by asmo on Jun 29, 2011 18:19:47 GMT -5
i disagree, but people are free to play whatever videogames they enjoy
|
|
|
Post by Hamuu on Jun 30, 2011 16:09:53 GMT -5
Yeah, it's kinda like when you see people playing an MMO that isn't WoW you wonder why they would play something inferior but then you think, oh well at least they are having fun.
Same with HoN. Even though it's inferior when compared to LoL, people can still have fun playing. (Though i can't understand how)
|
|
|
Post by asmo on Jul 1, 2011 10:50:10 GMT -5
thats pretty insulting, but heres a response anyways. i don't care for the slow pace of lol, being unable to deny, the random fluff mechanics like masteries and runes, and the inability to play every hero in the game at will. It seems to me that the biggest selling points to the game are its 'newbie-friendliness' and its price tag, both of which i don't particulary care about.
|
|
|
Post by Hamuu on Jul 3, 2011 21:06:23 GMT -5
thats pretty insulting, but heres a response anyways. i don't care for the slow pace of lol, being unable to deny, the random fluff mechanics like masteries and runes, and the inability to play every hero in the game at will. It seems to me that the biggest selling points to the game are its 'newbie-friendliness' and its price tag, both of which i don't particulary care about. Insulting but true. Slow pace is non existent in LoL, I don't think I have ever been in a game that felt slow. If you get that feeling when you play LoL you're obviously doing something wrong. Not sure what "denying" is HoN, in LoL you can deny by keeping your opponents from gaining experience in your lane. So either A) you don't know how to to do that correctly or B) HoN has something else called denying. How about you explain what denying is in HoN so I can better defend the point for LoL. This part makes me laugh so I am gonna quote it again. the random fluff mechanics like masteries and runes lmao, "fluff" If you don't understand how something works don't just write it off as fluff in ignorance. Lets see, if it were "fluff" then it wouldn't matter if I did it correctly or not, or even at all. So lets see, I'll use runes as my first example. Since it's fluff I won't even bother right? Lets say I play Miss Fortune (a ranged damage character) and my opponent is also Miss Fortune. My opponent has runes for armor pen, mana regen, cooldown reduction, and health. The Miss Fortune can A) Hit me harder (armor pen), B) won't run out of mana as quickly as I do (mana regen), C) will be able to cast their spells more often than me (cooldown reduction), and D) outlast me (health). We're both level one but this "fluff" might as well mean the opponent Miss Fortune has a whole other level on me. Also runes can make a big difference how you play your character. The example runes I gave are my own runes, however that's because I focus on the auto attack and use my abilities more as utilities. I know other people who rune differently and these differences in their runes allows them to use Miss Fortunes abilities as the sole source of quick high damage and the auto attack as just a small added benefit. Already the runes have allowed this character to be played efficiently two different ways - as either a ranged physical damage or as bursty magic caster. Masteries are the same, say I am playing as Amumu (a close range tank) if I choose I can master in the utilities and just fling his spells in quicker succession and try to control the battle more, or if I master in defense I can go in and take on even more damage and punishment, or I can master in offense and be a tanky dps. I am sorry but this is your most asinine point, saying the masteries and runes are "fluff" is basically saying that you have no idea what you are talking about. The inability to play any character in a game at will? I can play any character I wanna play so I don't know what you are doing wrong. I am not sure what your argument is since you can play any character you want. I would disagree with newb friendliness. Half the low levels are just level 30's that have made secondary accounts on. If you mean people are friendly to low levels I would say some are, it's like any game out there - you have people who are friendly and some who aren't. Finally the price tag? It's a free to play game which means there's no reason not to go mess around in it. Do you think it makes you better that you pay for your HoN game? Sorry price has nothing to do with it.
|
|
Geo
Joyeuse Insurgency
Believe It!
Posts: 105
|
Post by Geo on Jul 6, 2011 4:45:30 GMT -5
thats pretty insulting, but heres a response anyways. i don't care for the slow pace of lol, being unable to deny, the random fluff mechanics like masteries and runes, and the inability to play every hero in the game at will. It seems to me that the biggest selling points to the game are its 'newbie-friendliness' and its price tag, both of which i don't particulary care about. Insulting but true. Slow pace is non existent in LoL, I don't think I have ever been in a game that felt slow. If you get that feeling when you play LoL you're obviously doing something wrong. Not sure what "denying" is HoN, in LoL you can deny by keeping your opponents from gaining experience in your lane. So either A) you don't know how to to do that correctly or B) HoN has something else called denying. How about you explain what denying is in HoN so I can better defend the point for LoL. This part makes me laugh so I am gonna quote it again. the random fluff mechanics like masteries and runes lmao, "fluff" If you don't understand how something works don't just write it off as fluff in ignorance. Lets see, if it were "fluff" then it wouldn't matter if I did it correctly or not, or even at all. So lets see, I'll use runes as my first example. Since it's fluff I won't even bother right? Lets say I play Miss Fortune (a ranged damage character) and my opponent is also Miss Fortune. My opponent has runes for armor pen, mana regen, cooldown reduction, and health. The Miss Fortune can A) Hit me harder (armor pen), B) won't run out of mana as quickly as I do (mana regen), C) will be able to cast their spells more often than me (cooldown reduction), and D) outlast me (health). We're both level one but this "fluff" might as well mean the opponent Miss Fortune has a whole other level on me. Also runes can make a big difference how you play your character. The example runes I gave are my own runes, however that's because I focus on the auto attack and use my abilities more as utilities. I know other people who rune differently and these differences in their runes allows them to use Miss Fortunes abilities as the sole source of quick high damage and the auto attack as just a small added benefit. Already the runes have allowed this character to be played efficiently two different ways - as either a ranged physical damage or as bursty magic caster. Masteries are the same, say I am playing as Amumu (a close range tank) if I choose I can master in the utilities and just fling his spells in quicker succession and try to control the battle more, or if I master in defense I can go in and take on even more damage and punishment, or I can master in offense and be a tanky dps. I am sorry but this is your most asinine point, saying the masteries and runes are "fluff" is basically saying that you have no idea what you are talking about. The inability to play any character in a game at will? I can play any character I wanna play so I don't know what you are doing wrong. I am not sure what your argument is since you can play any character you want. I would disagree with newb friendliness. Half the low levels are just level 30's that have made secondary accounts on. If you mean people are friendly to low levels I would say some are, it's like any game out there - you have people who are friendly and some who aren't. Finally the price tag? It's a free to play game which means there's no reason not to go mess around in it. Do you think it makes you better that you pay for your HoN game? Sorry price has nothing to do with it. Lol, let me explain. Denying comes from dota, unlike ZONEING in lol, HoN and DoTA have denying, its where you can last hit your allied creeps to deny the opponent exp for the kill and gold from the last hit. While denying makes you focus on passive play, as opposed to aggressive harassment, or zoning, or getting last hits, to farm. Its the thing that makes lol FASTER. Any professional or high skill game in hon or dota is full of denies, and they slow the game down so much, that I'm not sure if this asmo kid has even played any of these games hes talking about. Removing exp and farm from the lane only SLOWS down the game. The fact that lol has no denying is what makes it faster. His logic is terribly flawed and hes talking out his ass. Denying used to be in lol in one format, and that was in the form of gankplanks activated part of his passive, you used to be able to target your creep for the effect, which would deny some exp. It was the only deny in the game, and that part alone got him spots in competitive teams. Regardless, denying is stupid, and slows down the pace of the game. Zoneing, or harassment is also in hon as well, its just you have to decide, harass, last hit, or deny. To further hurt his argument, Hon is looked down upon FOR its price tag. Firstly, its a carbon copy of dota, that costs 30 bucks. Dota is free. Secondly, lol is free. Hon is 30 bucks. I don't understand. Thirdly, if you so choose, you have access to everything in the game at any time in lol. You just have to pay. Just because you don't want to pay, or are poor, doesn't mean access isn't there. Skins, runes, summoner spells, and masteries, this fluff you say, is what sets lol apart. The removal of denying and addition of skillshots makes it mechanics slightly different but Its still the general same thing. These fluff are what makes the game fun, unique, and awesome, and they make a massive fucking difference. As hammu stated, its the difference between a good player and bad players. A lvl one with no runes or masteries playing any random hero, vs a lvl 30 with full runes, and masteries is a massive fucking difference. Example, my vlad starts the game with 900 life. A lvl one vlad starts the game with 310. Thats a big difference. In addition, and idiot putting random summoner spells, masteries, and runes on a hero just like the other guy playing same hero, with appropriate ones, is also a massive difference. I mean I don't even understand your argument. This fluff makes lol more complex. And if you want to talk about FLUFF, how about hon and dota having 10 lvls of stats. Thats fluff, thats filler in the most basic definition of the word. Come on man. Come on. If your going to argue, back it up and UNDERSTAND both sides. Ive played dota since riki had mines and wards. 5+ years. I know all I need to know about hon cuz its the same exact fucking game, with a PRICE TAG, and Ive played it and have an account. I've also played lol since months after its release, and Love it much more. Its simply a better game. Its fucking dota with free tp's no denying, and more customization. Its literally an improvement and addition. This cannot make it bad. Does not compute. My biggest argument is the rice. Ricing doesnt exist in lol. It does in hon and dota. Ricing is where a hero can afk and jungle all game, and get to a point, at say 40 minutes where he can 5v1 flawlessly over and over and over. For example, mortred with bf, satanic, treads gg. x6 crit that cleaves and gives 125% lifesteal. No contest. Can't rice in lol, can jungle, but at 6 you roam or support or gank, you dont keep ricing. There are not enough creep camps and the spawn timers are longer, plus the runes from the guardians are not just for them, and are fought for by everyone, including enemies, they are spots everyone goes to, strategic spots. Fuck, dragon is like taking a tower, and keeping farm on dragon wins games. Baron fucking wins games too, while Rosh never won shit. Lol is way more focused on team play. Dota and hon can be won by one hero, nearly any carry, quite easily. Lol, while having a few hard carries, such a jax or olaf, are not capable of 5v1 without support, and doing so only hurts your team. We are playing a team game, if you want to make the argument FOR carries, go play 1v1.
|
|
|
Post by Hamuu on Jul 6, 2011 14:59:21 GMT -5
See I would think being able to 1v5 and kill everyone would help people see that the game is just horribly broken. That's not skill, that's just a plain bad game.
Granted there are those people out there that just wanna stroke their e-peen. E-Peen strokers probably love HoN.
Please asmo, come play LoL with us. I can't stand the thought of you being surrounded by a bunch of digital perverts.
|
|
|
Post by asmo on Jul 6, 2011 18:04:48 GMT -5
I browsed the 3000 word responses, sorry if i misinterpret anything.
let me reiterate: i don't have a problem with lol, I just enjoy playing hon more with the time i have per week to play a video game. this is not because i am an elitist willing to shell out massive amounts of money to play an inferior game.
the last time i played lol was at least 6 months ago, here are the things that frustrated me: 1. the graphics and general interface. obviously not important in the long run 2. being unable to buy teleports, instead having to rely on a skill with a 5 minute cooldown(probably shorter but in my raging mind it felt like forever) 3. not having all the heroes available for play. Bulbs, you seemed to disagree with this, but when I played there was a small pool of heroes available to choose from that rotated over a period of time, along with whatever heroes you had purchased using some form of in game currency. if this has changed i guess that would be pretty cool. 4. having to level up to get runes and masteries or whatever. i'm not playing an mmo, and i didn't really care for that in a dota game. I understand that this probably affords a lot of customization when you play a specific hero, i just hope it actually creates diversity instead of a bunch of min maxing sperg lords. geo said this made the difference between a good player and a bad player, but it just seems to mark the difference between someone who has played a lot and someone who hasn't.
most of these points are rather irrelevant and based on my personal preferences and time commitment for video games these days. hon and lol are so similar that i'm just happy people are being exposed to these types of games more often.
as for specific heroes of newerth complaints, there is a lot of hatemongering on both sides of this intense video game debate that should stop. lol is not a game for 5 year olds who got scared of the complexity of dota, just like hon isn't a game for elitist retards (if we're being technical, both hon and lol are full of elitist retards though haha). here are some points i would like to address:
i think denying adds an important element to the early game. i don't know what zoning is, but i assume it has something to do with harassing heroes out of the range of creeps so you deny them xp. this happens all the time in hon. its very difficult to balance last hitting, denying, and harassing at the same time. I think denying rewards skilled players who can juggle these three early game tasks, but some people may disagree. if you're playing people way under your skill level you can 1v5 a game I guess, but I'm sure the same is true for lol. My friend went 28-2-15 his first game of lol because he had some experience with hon and he picked the hero that most resembled clockwork goblin (a dota hero). This does not mean that he is a great player or that lol is full of dumb people, just that when you play against people at a much lower skill level you can win by yourself. if your team can't capitalize on a 5v4 situation while your opponents have someone off in the jungle for 40 minutes, I guess something went wrong. If your team did not gank said carry, or fuck up the early game said carry, you did something wrong, not the mechanics of the game. Heroes lose gold when they die in hon, so the best way to stop a carry is to kill them while they suck.
i'd say hon is decently balanced at the moment, but its tough to balance a game with 70-80 unique heroes when the skill level of the player base is so different. i'm sure there are bad heroes and super good heroes in lol just like there are in hon.
i hope someone reads all that, its the longest post i've written on the internet since i rped 16000 years ago.
|
|
|
Post by asmo on Jul 6, 2011 18:08:50 GMT -5
Please asmo, come play LoL with us. I can't stand the thought of you being surrounded by a bunch of digital perverts. i'll make an account again and play with you guys sometime. my schedules a lot easier now that i only have to teach summer school (shorter days, friday off!)
|
|
|
Post by Hamuu on Jul 6, 2011 23:01:52 GMT -5
I read all of that, but the only thing I took from it was this -
"Asmo is a teacher?!"
|
|
Geo
Joyeuse Insurgency
Believe It!
Posts: 105
|
Post by Geo on Jul 7, 2011 4:06:29 GMT -5
I browsed the 3000 word responses, sorry if i misinterpret anything. let me reiterate: i don't have a problem with lol, I just enjoy playing hon more with the time i have per week to play a video game. this is not because i am an elitist willing to shell out massive amounts of money to play an inferior game. the last time i played lol was at least 6 months ago, here are the things that frustrated me: 1. the graphics and general interface. obviously not important in the long run 2. being unable to buy teleports, instead having to rely on a skill with a 5 minute cooldown(probably shorter but in my raging mind it felt like forever) 3. not having all the heroes available for play. Bulbs, you seemed to disagree with this, but when I played there was a small pool of heroes available to choose from that rotated over a period of time, along with whatever heroes you had purchased using some form of in game currency. if this has changed i guess that would be pretty cool. 4. having to level up to get runes and masteries or whatever. i'm not playing an mmo, and i didn't really care for that in a dota game. I understand that this probably affords a lot of customization when you play a specific hero, i just hope it actually creates diversity instead of a bunch of min maxing sperg lords. geo said this made the difference between a good player and a bad player, but it just seems to mark the difference between someone who has played a lot and someone who hasn't. most of these points are rather irrelevant and based on my personal preferences and time commitment for video games these days. hon and lol are so similar that i'm just happy people are being exposed to these types of games more often. as for specific heroes of newerth complaints, there is a lot of hatemongering on both sides of this intense video game debate that should stop. lol is not a game for 5 year olds who got scared of the complexity of dota, just like hon isn't a game for elitist retards (if we're being technical, both hon and lol are full of elitist retards though haha). here are some points i would like to address: i think denying adds an important element to the early game. i don't know what zoning is, but i assume it has something to do with harassing heroes out of the range of creeps so you deny them xp. this happens all the time in hon. its very difficult to balance last hitting, denying, and harassing at the same time. I think denying rewards skilled players who can juggle these three early game tasks, but some people may disagree. if you're playing people way under your skill level you can 1v5 a game I guess, but I'm sure the same is true for lol. My friend went 28-2-15 his first game of lol because he had some experience with hon and he picked the hero that most resembled clockwork goblin (a dota hero). This does not mean that he is a great player or that lol is full of dumb people, just that when you play against people at a much lower skill level you can win by yourself. if your team can't capitalize on a 5v4 situation while your opponents have someone off in the jungle for 40 minutes, I guess something went wrong. If your team did not gank said carry, or fuck up the early game said carry, you did something wrong, not the mechanics of the game. Heroes lose gold when they die in hon, so the best way to stop a carry is to kill them while they suck. i'd say hon is decently balanced at the moment, but its tough to balance a game with 70-80 unique heroes when the skill level of the player base is so different. i'm sure there are bad heroes and super good heroes in lol just like there are in hon. i hope someone reads all that, its the longest post i've written on the internet since i rped 16000 years ago. Your points are right, cuz they are opinions, but let me shine some light on your points, that may help you overcome them. 1) Hon has superior graphics, hon is beautiful, can't argue that. Point stays. 2) You can have summoner spell teleport, which should always be got in competitive play, it has the same cooldown as boots of travel in dota and hon. In addition, you have free returns to base, the blue pill, infinite backs, at no cost. On the flip side, you don't have scolls of tp keeping up space in your inventory, or keeping you constantly losing gold, potions take that place in this game. I find it better then tp scrolls. 3) lol is free, and the heros change every week. When I first started, I spent 40 bucks and unlocked all heros. They release new heros all the time, and yes will cost, OR the more you play you earn points so you can unlock heros. Essentially, if you play enough, everything is free. Hon cost 30 bucks just to play and try. 10 game trial without matchmaking is no sufficient. (the trial) Lol is free. Hon costs. Lol is free. I dont understand your issue here. 4) its a huge difference from a lvl one vs a lvl 30, but the difference i was pointing out was shitty noob lvl 30 builds vs pro ones, still a difference at max lvl
|
|
|
Post by Hamuu on Jul 16, 2011 0:50:18 GMT -5
I found this to be relevant.
|
|
|
Post by ch00beh on Jul 16, 2011 1:36:13 GMT -5
also Riot stole Christina Norman from Bioware Edmonton.
|
|
Geo
Joyeuse Insurgency
Believe It!
Posts: 105
|
Post by Geo on Jul 16, 2011 3:10:55 GMT -5
Extremely relevant, you posted teh best post there hammu. GG. Game set match.
|
|
|
Post by Hamuu on Jul 16, 2011 10:52:04 GMT -5
Also, we have Nikasaur.
|
|
Geo
Joyeuse Insurgency
Believe It!
Posts: 105
|
Post by Geo on Jul 16, 2011 11:31:14 GMT -5
shes so god damn ugly, and fucking terrible on the mic, did you see her at dream hack? all she can do is the showcases in a room with no one else, shes a terrible public speaker, retarded, and ugly. I hate her, everyone are fanboys but she has a big fucking dick i know it.
|
|
|
Post by Hamuu on Jul 18, 2011 14:12:22 GMT -5
I want her dick inside me
|
|
|
Post by asmo on Jul 23, 2011 11:00:22 GMT -5
hey now, lets not get all riled up about a lady who says words about a video game.
|
|
|
Post by asmo on Jul 31, 2011 14:21:18 GMT -5
update: hon is free to play, 15 heroes a week lol style.
|
|
|
Post by Hamuu on Aug 1, 2011 15:25:33 GMT -5
lol, now HoN is trying to be like LoL
|
|